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2016/02/01 19:06:20 (permalink)

Cthulhu VST

Anyone using: Cthulhu VST?
I'm wondering with the new routing options if there is a better way to set it up.
 

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Re: Cthulhu VST 2016/02/02 10:00:03 (permalink)
Hey Sadicus.
As you probably alreafy know you can assign the outputs of cthulhu and the synth to which it is routed to an aux track. This gives you the ability to solo, mute or record cthulhu, the vst synth it is routed to and any midi tracks assigned to it with a single click. To be honest though, this is equally well achieved by placing cthulhu, the vst synth, and any associated midi tracks into a single track folder and using the mute and solo function of the folder. 
There was talk on a thread here a few weeks back of extending patch point functionality to include midi data. This combined with current patch point features may prove more useful. 
 
On a side note - cthulhu is great fun, but isn't it the most ridiculous name ever for a plugin!
 

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Re: Cthulhu VST 2016/02/02 10:56:47 (permalink)
Thanks Bruce,
The name is what introduced me to the plugin! ("The Call of Cthulhu", H. P. Lovecraft)
I never really could get it to work due to the contrived setup.
Thanks for the info, I've not had proper time to test the new (easier) features of SONAR and I imagine setting up Toontrack Drums will also be better than freezing tracks.
Would you mind showing a screen image of how to setup Cthulhu?

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Re: Cthulhu VST 2016/02/02 11:48:20 (permalink)
Sadicus, I don't know if this will help or not (it's a bit dated), but Brando's tip worked very well for me in the past.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Has-anyone-tried-Cthulhu-in-Sonar-yet-m2757681.aspx 
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Re: Cthulhu VST 2016/02/02 12:56:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/02/02 15:17:35
It is very convoluted to set up the first time Sadicus. I can talk you through the steps, then you can save it as a track template and it will be quick to load next time.
 
1. From the insert menu choose soft synth > vst2 > cthulhu
In the dialogue box that pops up tick the following:  Midi source, synth track folder, first synth audio out, enable midi output, synth property page, recall assignable controls, then click OK
 
2. Next Insert whatever soft synth you would like cthulhu to play.  I'll use True pianos Cakewalk as an example, but you can use any:: Insert > Soft synth > VST2 > True pianos Cakewalk.
In the dialogue box that pops up tick he following: Midi source, Synth track folder, First synth audio output, Synth property page, recall assignable controllers. Enable midi out does not need to be ticked. Now click OK
 
You now have 2 folders, both containing a midi track and a synth track.
 
3. In the synth folder (True pianos in this example), select the midi track. From the input drop down menu, choose your keyboard input. Now play some notes to make sure you have sound. Now from the same dropdown menu, change the input to cthulhu 1 > midi omni. You have now routed the output if Cthulhu to your soft synth.
 
4. THIS IS IMPORTANT: MAKE SURE THAT THE INPUT ECHO BUTTON IS ACTIVE (BLUE) ON BOTH THE MIDI TRACK IN THE SYNTH FOLDER, AND THE MIDI TRACK IN THE Cthulhu folder. You are now set up and ready to play!
 
5.  Select the midi track in the Cthulhu folder. Make sure it's input is set to your keyboard in midi omni mode using the drop down input menu.
 
6. If the Cthulhu VST property page isn't already open,  click on It's synth ytack icon to open it. You will see on the page a drop down entitled Chord Presets. Click on it and choose any preset. Now play a single  note on the keyboard (still with the midi track in the Cthulhu folder selected, but with the Input Echo button acivated on both midi tracks) You should here the chosen arpeggio play. Note hat you will also hear a tone generated by Chulhu. This is turned off using the speaker icon in it's vst property page.
 
Now that you have it working, select both folders and the tracks using control click, right click on he blue higjlighted section of any of the selected tracks and choose "save as track template" from the dropdown menu and give it any name you like.
 
Next time you want to load it, just right click in empty space below your last track and choose 'insert from track template', then he name you saved. This will load both the soft synth and Cthulhu and set up all of he inputs and outputs for you. You just click in he Cthulhu midi track and play away!
 
I hope this helps. It is a bit of a hassle to set up, but not so complex once you get your head around it. It is very easy once you have the  tempate saved.
 
If you can't get it working let me know and I can email you a project with it all set up. Then you can open the project and save the track template to get you started.
 
Good luck!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
post edited by tenfoot - 2016/02/02 21:46:57

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Re: Cthulhu VST 2016/02/02 13:45:45 (permalink)
tenfoot
You now have 2 folders, both containing a midi track and a synth track.
 
3. In the synth folder (True pianos in this example), select the midi track. From the input drop down menu, choose your keyboard input. Now play some notes to make sure you have sound. Now from the same dropdown menu, change the input to cthulhu 1 > midi omni. You have now routed the output if Cthulhu to your soft synth.
 
4. THIS IS IMPORTANT: MAKE SURE THAT THE INPUT ECHO BUTTON IS ACTIVE (BLUE) ON BOTH THE MIDI TRACK IN THE SYNTH FOLDER, AND THE MIDI TRACK IN THE Cthulhu folder. You are now set up and ready to play!
 
5.  Select the midi track in the Cthulhu folder. Make sure it's input is set to your keyboard in midi omni mode using the drop down input menu.
 
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Now that you have it working, select both folders and the tracks using control click, right click on he blue higjlighted section of any of the selected tracks and choose "save as trak template" from the dropdown menu and give it any name you like.
 



Why are you using folders tenfoot ?  Why not just a Simple Instrument Track for Cthulhu (to hide the unused but required audio track) and another Simple Instrument Track for the piano (or separate midi and audio tracks).  Then save both (or the three) as a track template if desired.
 
post edited by Paul P - 2016/02/02 14:01:09

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Re: Cthulhu VST 2016/02/02 14:13:20 (permalink)
I actually have them all in a single folder in my own tempates Paul P (though I never use simple instrument tacks) so that I can solo or mute all associated midi/instrument tracks with a single click. In the description I separated the two elements so that Sadicus could get a handle on the routing - then he can use it with any synth in the future. An understanding of the role of arpegiator and synth is key , as is the difference between midi track as source and synth audio output. Keeping them separate it is easier to see.
 
If you think there's a better way to explain it jump right in☺.
 
 
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post edited by tenfoot - 2016/02/02 14:43:52

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Re: Cthulhu VST 2016/02/02 15:33:09 (permalink)
 
Thanks tenfoot.  So you use folders to enable soloing and muting of the 'construct' with one button/click.  And you can collapse things down to a single line so save clutter.  Make sense.
 
I haven't used track folders before and hadn't noticed the "Synth Track Folder" option in the Insert Soft Synth Options" dialog.  I missed this in your description above so I was wondering where the folders came from. 
 
Now that I understand your setup, I agree that it's useful to put both Cthulhu and the piano in the same folder. Then you can Input Echo, Solo and Mute everything with a single button/click.
 
The Simple Instrument Track for Cthulhu is useful since it hides the audio track that is otherwise doing nothing, saving some clutter (I don't have Cthulhu but I'm presuming it works the same as Kirnu and BlueARP).
 

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Re: Cthulhu VST 2016/02/02 21:48:00 (permalink)
Hey Paul. That's pretty much it. Good call on hiding the Cthulhu synth output - it is redundant. I must get into the habit of using simple instrument tracks when appropriate.
 
I hadn't really used track folders until fairly recently - now I wonder how survived wthout them, but there are lots' of new features added since the monthly updates that I could add to that list. I really like that it has pushed me into the habit of trying new workflows. Just goes to show that old dogs and new tricks are not so mutually exclusive:)

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