Sally's World

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2016/02/05 16:31:19 (permalink)

Sally's World

Greeting fellow DAW enthusiasts!
 
Ever since I learned how Steve Winwood used to record all the instruments himself for great old albums like Arc of a Diver, building up all the parts as he went, I've become obsessed with doing an entire solo album myself. It's also much more affordable than hiring a cadre of first-call session cats! Lol. So, I went the affordable way. It was also a very fun challenge.
 
This first song, Sally's World off my album It's The Future, has me playing Guitars, bass, keyboards, a bit of lapsteel and relying on BFD 2, 64-bit for my drum sounds.
 
The lead guitar sounds you hear on both the solo during the middle of the song, and also during the outro, came together in an interesting way: I was experimenting with my Variax modeling guitar, and it's Dobro sounds specifically, when I hit on the idea of playing a Dobro through a Marshall Stack modeled on my POD XT Pro. The sound that came out is almost straty in it's clarity. I love it and might consider trying to recreate it live sometime.
 
Hope you dig it.
 
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    kakku
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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/06 06:59:18 (permalink)
    Great song but could use slightly more bass imo. Listening with headphones.

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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/06 13:10:55 (permalink)
    Nice work! I play all my own tracks too, and I know how much fun it can be. This has a really nice groove and is mixed pretty well. I agree with the comment that there needs to be more bass. Your vocals pop right out of that thick mix in a way I really envy. Good job. Inspires me to work harder at getting that right (sigh).
     
    I think the song is way too long, and sits on that A chord forever. Not sure but I think we go over 4 minutes before we get to something that feels like a bridge (with the D and C chords). Before that, there's the occasional Gmaj7 which is welcome, but otherwise you just sit on that A forever. The song gets really tiring because of that and because sonically there's no variation. 
     
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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/07 08:23:16 (permalink)
    My kind of music. Really nice to listen to and here and there I got a feel of the old Beatles-sound. I agree about the lack of support from the bass.
     
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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/07 08:42:39 (permalink)
    From one Scott C to another,
    Nice vocals. They stand out in the mix very well.
    A few other observations:
    At 3:27 the guitar cancelled out the voice on the note just before "the children". Could probably be fixed with EQ or panning.
    I thought the mix sounded thick and distorted when the other instruments came in after the intro but could just be my listening device.
    I agree with the above comments about the song needing some change-ups sooner and throughout the song.
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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/07 17:46:10 (permalink)
    I didn't read any of the previous comments.
     
    A bang-up job you did on this -- good stuff.  Thoughts -- drums could come up in the mix a lot. Also, there are places where the vocal (which is very good) could be ridden a bit in the volume as pieces get lost.  I like the reverb effect you have on the vocal.  Some good bass parts in this, too.  :)
     
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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/07 19:11:22 (permalink)
    Good song Scott. Very Beatles-like arrangement and instrumentation.
    Please don't take this the wrong way but I couldn't work out if the mix was intentionally loose or not....I like what you have done and the vocals sit on top of the music nicely but the instrument levels seem a bit haphazard. If it was intentional, very cool.
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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/08 13:13:48 (permalink)
    Hi Scott, yes, very good song!  nice performances!  I agree with Daryl about the instrument levels - what seems like you've done is brick walled the compression on the master which has caused each instrument to have unpredictable levels.  I'd suggest backing off of that master compression.
     
    however, I'm going to go against everyone else on the vocals and say that I'm not fond of the vocal treatment.  they sound "phasey" like you've cloned and time shifted them, which I'm not a fan of.  your have a great voice, I'd prefer to hear it not buried in the treatment.
     
    excellent performances! 

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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/09 09:31:56 (permalink)
    Nice mashup of Grand Avenue and Oasis. I like the vibe and overall retro feel of the song. Your mix sounds a little like a rough mix and really could be taken to radio-ready with some work. I don't hear anything that can't be fixed. Personally, I like the vocals, though they could use a little more clarity. The drums need some post work to polish them up.
     
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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/09 12:53:28 (permalink)
    Wow. Really great feedback. Thanks to everybody who took the time to listen.
     
    I wonder if the bass issues are due to listening on headphones? A tactical error I made throughout mixing was to not listen too much on headphones ... which if you think about it, is probably what most people are using these days. So, going forward I will give more credence to getting things sounding better in headphones ... obviously not at the expense of other listening mediums.
     
    I think I also backed myself into a corner a bit by primarily listening in my car which has a beefy sub woofer. Really makes the bass seem like it has plenty of volume. But when I  A/B'd my tune with Black Keys music or even Spoon, my level of bass seemed comparable.
     
    Thanks again.

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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/10 14:25:49 (permalink)
    I agree with the above comments on everything - good song and well performed.  Nice straight rock feel that works well. 
     
    The mix does need some work though...   I'd personally start by soloing the drums, bass and vocals and getting them balanced as-is (right now the snare seems buried/muffled).    Then bring in the guitars and keys one by one to taste.  I would also suggest checking your master/compress settings since the mix does get a bit distorted in spots (using hi-pass on any of the instruments?). 
     

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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/11 21:45:28 (permalink)
    Great stuff.... Love the excellent use of delay on this tune. There are some phasing issues which have already been noted, but nothing really stands out. Enjoyed the composition... perhaps Harrison inspired as well as Winwood? 
     

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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/12 12:50:11 (permalink)
    Very psychedelic - love the guitar sounds. As others have said, I'd beef up the bass a bit. Nice strong vocals. Did I say I love the guitar sounds?

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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/13 11:29:48 (permalink)
    Weird deja vu feeling listening to this..I'm sure I commented on it before, but obviously not. Cool atmospheric track anyway. Mix is a bit indistinct, perhaps that's what you were aiming for. Nice guitar solo, I like the phrasing.

     
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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/13 14:35:06 (permalink)
    Hi, Scott. I think this is a very cool song. Took me from Bowie, to Soundgarden during the song 
    The drums could come up a bit on my system.
    All the best.

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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/13 15:13:36 (permalink)
    Nice song but others have already commented on the mix aspects and everyone has valid points IMO.
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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/15 12:38:18 (permalink)
    If you liked the sound of the vocal, here is how I did it. I believe this is also the reason certain people also commented on how the vocal doesn't have quite enough focus. I went back and forth on that myself for quite a while finally deciding that I liked the spaciousness of that wide vocal sound on this particular track.
     
    I cloned the main vocal track and then, using the slide control, I slid the copied clip 30 ticks forward, and then messed with the panning of both tracks to create a stereo spread. You hear the main vocal come in on the left, and 30 ms later, you hear it come out just a bit louder in the right speaker. The panning is something like 10 o'clock for the left side, and then about 3 o'clock on the right. Then the whole thing gets run to a bus which is processed with delay.
     
    I was worried that when somebody listened on mono, the voice would become very indistinct. But when I tested it in mono, it seemed fine. Always wondered how a mix like that would collapse down to mono since the voice is not directly in the middle. But you hear it done that way often ... the new Mumford & Sons song "Believe" comes to mind ... at some point you can hear the vocals get the wide stereo treatment and it really adds a fullness to the song.
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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/16 08:13:25 (permalink)
    All good advice given above, will keep the furry ears open for a possible remix, thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/16 17:46:00 (permalink)
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    If you liked the sound of the vocal, here is how I did it. I believe this is also the reason certain people also commented on how the vocal doesn't have quite enough focus. I went back and forth on that myself for quite a while finally deciding that I liked the spaciousness of that wide vocal sound on this particular track.
     
    I cloned the main vocal track and then, using the slide control, I slid the copied clip 30 ticks forward, and then messed with the panning of both tracks to create a stereo spread. You hear the main vocal come in on the left, and 30 ms later, you hear it come out just a bit louder in the right speaker. The panning is something like 10 o'clock for the left side, and then about 3 o'clock on the right. Then the whole thing gets run to a bus which is processed with delay.
     


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    Re: Sally's World 2016/02/16 23:14:01 (permalink)
    The mix needs lots of help.
     
    As a song, Really nice. The vocalist has a nice timbre. Great work.

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