AdamGrossmanLG
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2 Dithers?
Hello,
If I am using Ozone to master a track in Sonar and use the internal dither in Ozone, when exporting my mix to a WAV file, dither in Sonar should be disabled, correct?
Is there any dither that is better than the other? Should the Sonar one be used or the Ozone?
Thanks!
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Sanderxpander
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Re: 2 Dithers?
2016/02/12 19:58:53
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Better is subjective in music. An A/B will give you your answer.
But yes, the concept of dithering kinda means only using one at a time.
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gswitz
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Re: 2 Dithers?
2016/02/12 21:24:46
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I use triangular when I bounce and powr3 when I export.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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AdamGrossmanLG
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Re: 2 Dithers?
2016/02/12 21:26:26
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gswitz
I use triangular when I bounce and powr3 when I export.
why twice?
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gswitz
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Re: 2 Dithers?
2016/02/12 21:39:37
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It won't be audible on a thirty two bit file where the loudest moment uses almost every available bit. It gets me another dB of clean sound, so I do it. None of the dither from the bounce will be included in the 24 bit export. It really doesn't matter. I do it as a matter of principal.
When I expect to dither again, I use unshaped.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re: 2 Dithers?
2016/02/13 04:45:41
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2016/02/13 04:46:54
At the risk of stating the obvious, you should only dither ONCE and that's when you're exporting (or bouncing) with a different bit depth to the original.
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BlixYZ
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Re: 2 Dithers?
2016/02/13 08:56:27
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If there's nothing left to dither, won't the second dither leave the data untouched? Like a second bw limiter? Not a perfect analogy, but you get the picture.
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Sanderxpander
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Re: 2 Dithers?
2016/02/13 09:18:31
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KingsMix
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Re: 2 Dithers?
2016/02/13 11:14:38
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Sanderxpander
Dither adds noise.
Yes, that's correct, dither adds noise and you might not notice it at first but it will be more obvious at the fadeout of a song. Dither once at your last point of export. And on a side note, it the wave file or project you are working on is already at the sample and bit rate you are shooting for say 44/16 CD quality, then my advice would be to not dither at all.
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KingsMix
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Re: 2 Dithers?
2016/02/13 11:19:47
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SilverBlueMedallion
Hello,
#1 If I am using Ozone to master a track in Sonar and use the internal dither in Ozone, when exporting my mix to a WAV file, dither in Sonar should be disabled, correct?
#2 Is there any dither that is better than the other? Should the Sonar one be used or the Ozone?
Thanks!
Answer to #1 Yes Answer to #2 I prefer to Dither at Ozone, and also engage DC Offset in Ozone.
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musicjohnnie
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Re: 2 Dithers?
2016/02/13 11:28:06
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Somewhere it is posted maybe on ozone or elsewhere that ozone adds its own dithering so make sure other dithers are disabled. I was just reading this somewhere.
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KingsMix
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Re: 2 Dithers?
2016/02/13 11:42:54
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Yes, that's correct, dither adds noise and you might not notice it at first but it will be more obvious at the fadeout of a song.
On this point about hearing noise on the fadeout, I am only speaking in terms of if you dither twice. With proper single dithering there should be no hint of audible noise added by dithering.
Just to clarify.
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Sanderxpander
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Re: 2 Dithers?
2016/02/13 11:50:10
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I agree, I was just replying to BlixYZ who said "If there's nothing left to dither, won't the second dither leave the data untouched?"
This seems based on a misunderstanding of what dithering actually does, which essentially is "adding noise".
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KingsMix
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Re: 2 Dithers?
2016/02/13 12:06:21
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Sanderxpander
I agree, I was just replying to BlixYZ who said "If there's nothing left to dither, won't the second dither leave the data untouched?"
This seems based on a misunderstanding of what dithering actually does, which essentially is "adding noise".
yeah, I was actually agreeing with you and expounding.
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KingsMix
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Re: 2 Dithers?
2016/02/13 12:07:08
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I should have put a +1 next to your quote.
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Re: 2 Dithers?
2016/02/13 12:58:37
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2016/02/13 13:08:12
crude example
111111111111111011111111 = 16776959
111111111111111001111111 = 16776831
two different 24 bit voltage levels but when truncated to 16 bit
1111111111111110 = 65534
1111111111111110 = 65534
both 16 bit voltage levels are equal
if we take a couple of the least significant bits in the 24 bit sample and randomize them (by adding noise to them) before we truncate. we end up with after truncating
1111111111111111 = 65535
1111111111111110 = 65534
two different 16 bit voltage levels.
over time the added noise will smooth out the truncation error/distortion and sound more pleasing to the ear.
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