Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome

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Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome

I've just posted a new mix of Got To Go Away to soundcloud. 
 
Based on suggestions from the forum, I have:
 
>Raised the low and low-mids in the overall EQ
>Raised the kick. I also change the beater to something with a bit more "pop".
>Raised the snare, and also made the sound more "snarey" and less "tommy".
>Lowered the crashes and rides.
>Lowered the toms.
>Brought up the bass guitar.
>Changed the sax synth from TTS-1 to DimensionPro tenor. Also brought up the sax delay.
>Took a little compression off the backing vocals to let more dynamics come through.
>I left the repetitious ending (3:50 to end) alone. Sometimes I like it (the feeling of moving on), and sometimes I don't (boring).
 
Critiques welcome. Did I go too far with something? Didn't go far enough? Let me know!

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    Re: Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome 2016/02/11 16:53:29 (permalink)
    cool, clever song and mix ....thx for sharing.
    I didnt hear the prev version....though i dug Open eyed gal better...song contentwise..and jamwise.
     Not to chg topic....but regarding Soundcloud....when you finish listening to a track...it will jump to another artist and doesnt readily show who or where it jumps to (similar songs/style/generes?? i suppose ??).  Is there a setting or maybe this doesn't occur if logged in....gotta check that ...

     
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    Re: Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome 2016/02/11 17:21:25 (permalink)
    I'm glad you like Open-Eyed girl, but I am not ready to ask the forum to take a look at it yet...Needs work.
     
    Yes - The soundcloud "continuous play" is annoying. I don't think there is any way to stop it, short of a third-party addon. I was able to modify it so that it plays my song next, not someone else's.

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    Re: Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome 2016/02/11 18:08:39 (permalink)
    Holy heck, a lot of work put into this. I'm still fairly new to this forum, so I'm not sure of the proper etiquette. I don't have as developed an ear for mixing/production details as I do for songwriting and arrangement, which is where I always come at music first. So most of my thoughts are about the songwriting and arrangement, which I have a ton of thoughts about in this case. But again, I'm pretty new to the the forum, and I'm very aware that by the time a fully produced track makes it up here the songwriting and arrangement ships have sailed. So I'll keep those thoughts to myself unless you really want them.
     
    As for the production, there's too much going on behind the lead vocal, who only gets four pitches to sing in the verses, so energy-wise it feels overwhelmed. Before I tweaked any knobs, I'd start muting things to see if I can bring the song more to life. The running crash cymbal seems like an easy candidate to cut. And maybe you don't need the horns AND the guitars AND the very active bass AND the BG vocs  as much as you have them. I want there to be more space in the song. This makes my ears exhausted!

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    Re: Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome 2016/02/11 21:07:26 (permalink)
    Wow, lots going on in this mix... I think your well on your way to success. The vocals are pretty thick but it seems to work. It is busy, but I'm guessing that it is intentional. There's a lot to like ... some really interesting tones and timbres provided within improvisational riffs ... very cool. You keep it going all the way through, so perhaps carving out a bit of breathing space would really be advantageous to the end result. Nice work.

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    Re: Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome 2016/02/11 21:09:46 (permalink)
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    And maybe you don't need the horns AND the guitars AND the very active bass AND the BG vocs  as much as you have them. I want there to be more space in the song. This makes my ears exhausted!



     It is a bit of a "Wall of Sound". I like it that way...for now. That is what I am trying to achieve...for the moment.
    A while back I was wondering why my mixes were not as clear as many - maybe most- of the others I hear on this forum, and asked myself why that is. One is tempted to blame it all on something technical (If only I had Ozone!...), but in my case I think a lot of it is arranging. That having been said, I am trying to achieve the tightest mix I can while still stuffing the mix with sound. I hear you, though. I am conceiving a tune or two that will be more minimalistic...at least by my standards, which for most folks might be more 'normal', or more contemporary.
    Your critique is appreciated. I may or may not agree with what you have to say, or incorporate your suggestion into the critiqued tune...but I have a good memory, and today's suggestion might end up in tomorrow's mix, or perhaps a year or two down the road.

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    Re: Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome 2016/02/11 22:18:59 (permalink)
    Excellent! Relieved to hear they fall on receptive ears. 
     
    I have never understood that term "wall of sound" though. When I hear Phil Spector music, I don't hear a "wall" at all. I've always been confused by that. 
     
    I think you and I suffer from similar malaides, the "more is more" complex. I have been at it long enough now that I know my first impulse will be to add too much, and now there's usually a point in the process where I start paring down, taking out entire instruments etc. It's so painful, and I have to bid teary goodbyes to all these cool bits I slaved over.
     
    (Same goes for reverb. For some reason, removing reverb is really hard for me. Adding it in, at the time, always sounds good. Taking it out, at the time, always sounds bad. It's so deceptive though. Adding reverb sounds great until the next day, when you listen again and think "WTF!!!??")

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    Re: Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome 2016/02/13 16:12:47 (permalink)
    This could be in a musical.
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    Re: Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome 2016/02/13 21:28:25 (permalink)
    bapu
    This could be in a musical.


    Actually, more often than not I envision my tunes with some sort of action. Like this one, maybe a break in a movie were the protagonist is just trying to get away from life. If a remake of  "The Graduate" was produced today, maybe this could play when Benjamin is driving around aimlessly. I'm not saying I'm that good...It's just how I think.

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    Re: Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome 2016/02/14 09:32:45 (permalink)
    Mix seems to translate well here, frantic vocal, thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome 2016/02/14 14:17:40 (permalink)
    Sounds good -- all that hard work has paid off :)
     
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    Re: Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome 2016/02/16 14:14:37 (permalink)
    Yeah, I think it is an improvement over the first version.   There is a lot going on, and it's not always easy to balance things.    I would try what Jim suggested though and just try randomly muting supporting tracks at various to see if you like it.     Oh, and the DP sax does sound better.    

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    Re: Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome 2016/02/17 14:55:04 (permalink)
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    Yeah, I think it is an improvement over the first version.   There is a lot going on, and it's not always easy to balance things.    I would try what Jim suggested though and just try randomly muting supporting tracks at various to see if you like it.     Oh, and the DP sax does sound better.    


    Yes - I am thinking seriously about doing some testing with a sparser mix. Thanks for the comment.

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    Re: Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome 2016/02/19 20:01:53 (permalink)
    Great stuff. The mix is smothered by your lead vocal that has way too much body, that it throws it out of space with the very thing else. The bgvox sound spot on. I would think about doing a HPF up to about 300hz with a nice slope and then maybe a 2DB cut at 550 hz or so on th lead vocal.
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    Re: Got To Go Away - Mix 2 - Critique welcome 2016/02/20 06:32:04 (permalink)
    Nice song and performances. I think the mix sounds kind of mono and that the vocals among other things could stand to be spread out a bit.
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