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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/12 18:53:45 (permalink)
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That way I don't have to worry about being faced with a potentially unstable system every month.

 
Cakewalk is kicking around an idea that may solve that issue. Nor ready for prime time yet, though. 
 

I think this is ALL some of us have been asking for. I hope it gets kicked up a notch



If it's not done right, it could turn out to be a textbook example of the law of unintended consequences...but the Bakers are creative folks, we'll see if they can figure out a way to do it.

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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/12 23:18:59 (permalink)
There was an invite for Beta Testers sometime back.
Did Cakewalk got them?
 
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/12 23:49:08 (permalink)
Got a mail from Cakewalk:
 
Renew your SONAR Rolling Update Plan
Offer Ends Soon! 

Now through February 28th, you can renew your SONAR Platinum Rolling Updates Membership for a one-time fee of $99 ($50 off the regular renewal rate).
 
I thought it was till 31st March.
Am I wrong?
 
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/12 23:57:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/02/14 14:36:05
AndertonHowever maybe as Kamikaze is proposing, you actually mean the add-ons to SONAR like Nomad, Soft Tubes, XLN and AAS.
 




 
I forgot Overloud too.
 
For the record I'm not interested in the loops and much of the work that Craig has put into expanding options over the last year. This isn't intended as a dig at Craig's efforts, because it doesn't matter whether I like or use it. Sonar development shouldn't be about just pleasing me. Stacks of people enjoy the content and FX chains, it expands the program and rounds it out. Now that is what I think should be expected from Cakewalk, a well rounded and highly functional program, that is robust too.  
 
The relationships with the 3rd parties have helped made it a well rounded program.
Nomad - These have given a wealth of good quality plugs, that help make the program be 'complete' out of the box.
AAS expanded the range of synth options, these fit a range of Genres. The influence of the rhodes, means it fits so many genres, included dance music. I happened to have the complete set direct from AAS so none of this content added anything to me at all. But it's good content I had already purchased it, so I this just happened to not apply to me
XLN - gives the users the option of pursuing a range of higher quality drums beyond session drummer, and also expands on the drums available with session drummer out of the box.
TH2 (Overloud) gave  a good quality guitar amp, which a modern DAW should have really. I'd prefer this to cake developing their own version.
 
I don't think these have added anything additional since the new payment option.
 
Soft Tubes and Overloud are a bit different, as they work with cakewalk with things like the pro Channels. I love the Pro Channel concept, and bringing in specialists to develop good quality functions has helped these options be valid options. When I see a new processor in the 'Deals' section, I have to ask myself, do I really not have something that can do this really well already.  This is what I want from development in Sonar, the options to be good enough that I don't think I need to add anything unless it really makes a difference.  These 3rd partly development relationships seem to only bring good things to the table and means the Sonar teams can specialise on their specialty, Sonar.  The BOX option I like,  too, not that +10db comes free, but it's good to see them working with other companies to expand pro channels. (On a side to this, I wished yesterday that I could have the PX64 shapers functions as prochannel option, but then gave FX Chains a go and that was so simple to make and modify)
 
Then we have ARA with Melodyne. And with the new version 4, I expect to see some further developments with integrating this, especially with Studio One showing that some things like importing timing maps can be made better
 
So I'm full of praise for the third party relationships, and they help the staff concentrate on the core development and fixes. 
 
The idea that the majority opinion should rule on what happens will only help loose a customer base, no maintain it. If you don't use MIDI that much, and they update, fix and develop this aspect, well you still benefit. It makes the program more robust, flexible and helps keep existing customers, and a reputation brings in new customers. And this does help you. Because that enables them to focus on the things that do interest you, by being a more financially stable product.
 
What I would like to see Staff improvements (no surprise to some of you I mention this first, and this part is archaic compared to the rest of the platform ). chord tool to help improve composition stages. Midi improvements. I don't know other DAWS, but other users seem to be aware that other DAWs have some great functionality we are missing out on. On the Audio Editing and Mixing front we have had lots of improvements that I wouldn't have thought of. Some responses to these have been so positive, and surpirse at the unexpected functions these can be used for. I want to feel this surprise on the Midi front for a change.
 
Do I think that I have seen the areas that I think are weak developed enough in the past year. No, I don't. I haven't signed up to next years upgrades yet? No, but I'm going to. Not because of what I have seen lined up in the next 3 months. I don't know enough about the Mastering improvments, but I am glad to see they have finally listened to request for colour personalisation to return (It was nice in the past when people showed their set up and shared them with other users).
 
 
Do I think I got good value from the past 12 months? Yes. Seeing the cost for the next 12 months, especially on offer, then I good for it. Hopefully we'll see the timing import from melodyne happening soon as it was suggested (by Noel I think), it should be easy to implement. 
 
Do I think they should focus on bug fixes? No. There are too many small improvements that can be made that aren't bug fixes, many we have been asking for for a long time. I don't think that cakewalk have been involved in the features and ideas section and I would like to see a lot more involvement with the customer bass on this. Yeah sure surprise us with things like Vocal Align that no one has asked for, that then prooves to be a far more flexible tool beyond syncing voice to video, but gives us what we are asking for too. Make it not feel like a one way conversation. But then we are getting the 'Feedback Portal', so maybe things are going to be in that direction anyway (Not that I think this should be a selling point for the next three months, as they should really be providing that as good customer relations, and they haven't been doing so far with the forum option)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/13 00:32:54 (permalink)
The OP is definitely a complex one as alluded to by many. I think a focus on improving/perfecting existing features (big list actually) that could have more functionality is warranted; since much of the functionality exists already, but could use some work to "get there."
 
An interesting caveat, and Achilles heel in many ways, is that legacy code carries with it the downside that it has often been appended (not pared down/optimized) and as time progresses few employees understand ALL the code and chose to "let sleeping dogs lie" as it were. The jump to the X-series required a deeper review of this code, but several years have already passed.
 
Lastly, a new user/employee is worth their weight in gold because they challenge "what is" and often ask "why is it this way?" Companies who understand this excel, and those who do not end up crippling themselves with "yes men" while their competitors incessantly gain ground. This is a very important fact to bear in mind, since an "irate new user" is the best source to get feedback from. To that end, having a "hobbyist" do things with SONAR, talk about what they want to do, etc. with someone from CW watching and taking notes (not offering workarounds, mind you) would reveal a lot that often gets poo pooed down. Work flows and gaps in them are what most users will care about because they boil down to time - the one resource we all have a finite amount of and the one which matters most.
 
As a quick example, and one that would apply to the most basic hobbyist (trying to approach from a true amateur perspective)... say on the go, and capture ideas on a cell phone...
  1. Finally on a computer (yay!) and eager to sandbox... offload the wav/mp3 and first thing is want bpm/key information...easiest solution - Melodyne (or similar).
  2. Okay, create project with bpm, import wav as a guide and decide whether to fuss with it or not.
  3. Begin rough tracking in a non-optimized environment so need to remove noise from tracks as they are fleshed out... need to now pop these open in another program for noise reduction (Audacity, Audition, RX4/5, etc.)... now this begs the question "Can I skip the middle-man and just track there?"... but persist and destructively edit them and return to work more in SONAR.
  4. Arrangement time... piece parts all over and want to chop/swap at will, tempo change, refine sections to be re-assembled into the whole later... now a can of worms opens with numerous "options," each with its own advantages/disadvantages...
Will stop at that, but it gives the big picture. General idea is simply "on the go" with a set 2 hour window at a computer for "dedicated work." I had given myself a challenge to sandbox in 30 minutes once, but realized that was an excessive (impossible?) goal right quick. Sandboxing in even 2 hours can be aggressive for someone familiar and knowing some workarounds.
 
Food for thought anyway.

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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/13 00:52:56 (permalink)
Well - I see I started quite a discussion.  Perhaps my original post was a little too drastic.
The point was to work on stability across the various likely systems out there and when necessary prioritize that over something that might add more complication and more bugs.
 
If I wanted a feature added - I have been begging for more color control for a long time - something similar to 8.5.3 that has been lost.
 
But really - if there is a choice between stability, bugs and errors and introducing more complexity which can affect the code (speaking over my head now) which could increase instabilty more bugs or errors, please choose stability, reducing bugs and errors.
 
Sometimes, moratoriums on somethings help a manufacturer catch up to the status quo.  It did not have to be a year.  It could be a focus for three months.
 
And it would be nice to know the list of hardware that Cakewalk people test their systems on and the systems that they find it work the best. (And I mean all the components, motherboard, video card, etc.)  Then people can try to match that.  Just a thought.
 
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/13 02:53:03 (permalink)
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These "no new features please" sentiments come up fairly often in the forums and I think what a lot of people don't understand is that unless Cakewalk continually attract new users with spanking new features, there won't be any revenue with which to continue fixing bugs.


I wonder how many "new users" have hopped on the Sonar bandwagon in the last year.  I can understand someone (like myself four years ago) dreaming of one day owning Sonar and buying it when that becomes possible, but then it wouldn't be because of the lastest New Feature.  Where would a new user even hear about the latest feature ?  My hunch is that the majority of sales is from the established base buying renewals and a few newcomers wanting to become a part of that community.  It's quite a decision to jump off and I don't see the lack of something new turning off most people that are already on.  Staying current is what is important to them (meaning make what's already there even better and keep up with changes in OS).
 
Also, while I'm at it, Cakewalk should probably abandon soft synths altogether.  It pains me to say it since that is a huge part of why I bought Sonar, but I don't think the resources are sufficient for something monumental, and they could probably be put to better use on Sonar itself.  Repackaging old software is kind of sad, especially when it's rereleased with major bugs.
 



I completely disagree. I think new users looking to get into making music do a LOT of research into feature sets and pros/cons. They're reading reviews, they're scouring the manufacturer's website with a fine tooth comb and they're going on Gearslutz and asking "which is the best DAW for making genre X?"
 
I only got back into making music in 2012 or so. I started out with a lite version of Pro Tools and quickly found that it wasn't really the ideal platform for delving into the kind of prog-electronica I felt bubbling inside of me. So off I went to Google to research an alternative. The reason why I chose Sonar was because it seemed to offer some good features for the MIDI/synth nut as well as being a great all-round DAW for audio recording - being primarily a guitar player. I read each manufacturer's website fully and watched lots of up to date videos showcasing each DAW. Had I been 20 years younger and less interested in recording audio, I probably would have chosen Ableton. Cubase didn't really appeal to me at all at the time. 

A big thing that Sonar had going for it in my eyes was that it looks a lot more professional than Ableton. I know it's shallow to judge a book by its cover but it's pointless denying that the look of a program affects your perception of it. So to me it felt right, it looked right and it seemed to have a diverse feature set that would accommodate a flexible range of musical genres. 
 
But to a kid who wants to get into EDM and is watching tutorials on YouTube before he makes a purchase, Ableton looks a lot more attractive. Just little things like automating synths and effects looks a lot more intuitive. The session view looks a lot better than the Matrix. Ableton has a drum rack that you can just drag samples onto and create separate FX chains for each pad. I just can't see them getting excited about loading samples into Cyclone. And Ableton comes with The Glue, an excellent compressor which sounds great on EDM. 
 
I really believe Sonar could be capitalizing on what it already has and making things look more attractive to the young bedroom producer. Lots of these things would benefit more traditional users to, for example look how easy it is to shape a custom automation curve in Ableton or Logic by just dragging it. In Sonar what do you have? Fast curve/slow curve with no way of bending it outwards or inwards to taste. It's a little behind the times in many fundamental regards. Sonar is missing some essential tools for modern production, like hard-wired LFO sources (have you ever tried using the sine tool to draw automation? It's horrible!) and a good quality filter with LFO modulation. These are pretty basic things which I'm sure the Bakers could write with one arm tied behind their backs. 
 
I also disagree that Cakewalk should give up on softsynths, they have some great talent there. Z3TA+2 and Rapture are excellent. I also think it's a shame they don't produce more effect plugins because again they have a huge potential. Look at the CA-2A. The ProChannel needs a good quality delay module baked in (can't understand why it doesn't come with one) and the Quadcurve could use mid/side processing. Loads of room for improvement. 

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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/13 04:27:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/02/13 08:37:12
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I completely disagree. I think new users looking to get into making music do a LOT of research into feature sets and pros/cons. They're reading reviews, they're scouring the manufacturer's website with a fine tooth comb and they're going on Gearslutz and asking "which is the best DAW for making genre X?"
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I also disagree that Cakewalk should give up on softsynths, they have some great talent there. Z3TA+2 and Rapture are excellent. I also think it's a shame they don't produce more effect plugins because again they have a huge potential. Look at the CA-2A. The ProChannel needs a good quality delay module baked in (can't understand why it doesn't come with one) and the Quadcurve could use mid/side processing. Loads of room for improvement. 



100% correct.
 
After using SONAR I also keep visiting the websites of other DAWs. Though not using much but installed ProTools LE, Studio One Artist, Cubase AI.. Got all these along with some of the Hardwares - either MIDI Controller or Audio Interface or USB MIXER .....  Which are the hardware [apart from Roland A500/800 pro] club SONAR Artist ??
 
This is a point SONAR reaches less new comers I believe.  When a new comer buys a I piece of hardware they get a DAW copy and they start with that. Crossgrade are done by
I. the experienced who studies compares eventually they start using multiple DAWs
ii. impatient users coming with an idea that 5 clicks for a beat, 4 clicks for Bass, 3/4 clicks for pad, record voice, 3 clicks for vocal effects (dropdown-chose-OK]  - SONG MADE !! Not good : Try another DAW, this DAW sucks.
 
Sometimes experienced users try to find work around, as they know what effort will be required to master another DAW. They ask for feature inclusion or improvement.
 
To hold this users required the stability, bug fixing on a regular basis. But at the same time newer features should be incorporated so that these users need not to switch to other DAW for certain tasks.
 
For new comers - more and more tutorials are required - not in text in 2016 an YouTube Channel - contributors are already there in this forum [knowledgeable, helpful ...] SWA - GROOVE3 for the experienced users who will pay for as they are earning from music, but not for the new comers. Because other DAW starters are gets this and new users of SONAR will think SOANR doesn't have the feature.
 
RAPTURE / DIMENSION should come up with more patches periodically. Everyone are not Synth programmer.
 
MIDI to be explained more, explored more - New comers will be overwhelmed if put to them systematically.
 
All the above are my personal view for this great DAW - SONAR.
 
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/13 18:58:03 (permalink)
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Bugfixes do not need to appear regularly at all, that is....they can be released as soon as the releases/fixes have been tested extensively and are most likely NOT introducing new bugs!



Cakewalk relies on us to put the updates to hard use and discover the bugs.  Not saying that's bad since we're not forced to participate, just pointing out that the "extensively tested" part is done by us and the update must be released for this to happen.  So the sooner the better.  The introduction of new bugs (to us) is inherent in this way of doing things.




This is a key point that seems to be overlooked sometimes. As a practical matter, it's not possible to add new features to existing code without adding new bugs. By definition, if this were possible there would be no bugs in software. Companies do have "bug bashes" sometimes but, as has been said, advertising that your product is unstable doesn't make marketing sense. Of course this may be happening without us knowing but it doesn't appear so if people think that bugs aren't being addressed and are asking for the company to make explicit further effort. A compromise might be to have feature releases every two months or so.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/13 19:50:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby JonD 2016/02/15 10:50:00
 
This thread has been more than interesting.  I was going to express appreciation for Michael's (mettelus) post, but then read James' (sharke) and Snehankur's rebuttals to what I'd imagined, and it hit me that it all makes so much sense, that we're each coming at Sonar from a different direction, and that they're all valid.  Imagine the load this puts on Cakewalk developers.  Realizing this, I'd say they're doing a pretty good job !
 
 

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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/13 20:11:31 (permalink)
I get both points of view re features v's bug fixes. It gets pretty frustrating when you have a beautifully stable program and an update introduces issues, which from my recent experience, took 2 more updates for the introduced bug - and a further one - to be fixed. Rolling back allowed me to continue to have a stable system to produce music, so that's a god-send. However, during this time, I certainly wasn't pleased at not being able to use paid-for 'enhancements' for 2 months and having to repeatedly install and un-install updates to test possible fixes. I must mention though that staff response was pretty good on the forum, but not real good for tech support response time - around 3 weeks. It was good though to see CW working on it actively and fixing it relatively pretty quickly.
 
Having said that, once fixed, some of the new features/enhancements made for a better overall system...not that I have used all of the features but it's a pretty cool DAW currently and I look forward to it hopefully getting even better. If I could avoid those introduced bugs then I'd be a pretty excited camper...but unfortunately, that's not the nature of software and hardware mixes...it's part n parcel. 

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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/13 22:46:07 (permalink)
I want it ALL.

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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/13 22:50:02 (permalink)
To be clear - it is a GREAT product.
The is not meant to be a criticism thread.
I am loyal to these people that have served me well for 20 years (Or more?)
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/14 15:59:39 (permalink)
I think people who use Sonar intensively (beyond as a digital multitrack - like I did for years) want bugfixes.
 
Nearly every time I use a feature I have never tried before, I hit bugs.
I tried two of Craig Anderton's Tips of the Week recently. Both revealed bugs in Sonar.
 
New features result in yet more bugs. I have given up on the Start Screen, despite liking it a lot.
Comparing Sonar to Studio One (which I also use) I can reassure everyone Sonar is ahead in the Features race.
post edited by jpetersen - 2016/02/14 16:37:29
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/15 10:26:39 (permalink)
@jpetersen - please provide more detail on the bugs you were experiencing with 2-3 of your issues, and maybe some of us can help you figure out what is happening and either find a fix or a work-around.
 
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/15 10:51:28 (permalink)
I probably shouldn't be chiming in here, but... I think sharke's last post is one of the sanest things I've read on these forums (and, for the record, I am that kid watching youtube videos and making ****ty EDM loops.) 
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/15 11:32:39 (permalink)
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I probably shouldn't be chiming in here, but... 

 
I'd definitely encourage you to chime. The appearance of Cakewalk staff here is a big plus compared to many other forums. 
 

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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/15 11:50:35 (permalink)
Good that you posted.  The truth is usually somewhere in the middle.  It may be an "optics"  issue as to whether a certain bug fix moratorium may be of help.   The responses to my initial post are all over the place.  
Whether everyone's post is accurate or not, this hopefully provides useful information to the good people at Cakewalk about what people think.
 
Any thought to posting some of the hardware systems used for testing on a future update release?  Or is that just not really beneficial or practical?

THANKS !!!
 
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I probably shouldn't be chiming in here, but... I think sharke's last post is one of the sanest things I've read on these forums (and, for the record, I am that kid watching youtube videos and making ****ty EDM loops.) 




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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/15 12:06:50 (permalink)
Eh, that's more for someone in QA to say. They definitely test things on a wide array of platforms and hardware configurations, but it's tough to stay on top of everything. The matrix of things they have to go through (on several OSes in several languages) is vast, and as we add new features that matrix continues to grow. 
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/15 12:16:25 (permalink)
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@jpetersen - please provide more detail on the bugs you were experiencing with 2-3 of your issues, and maybe some of us can help you figure out what is happening and either find a fix or a work-around.

 
My daily work with Sonar is workarounds.
When I hit an issue, I post a thread and if the more erudite members of this forum agree it's a bug, I report it.
 
I won't bore you with a list of report numbers, but if you're interested in the ones related to Craig's Tip of the Week, here's the links. If you intend to respond, it's probably best to do it there.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...ehaviors-m3369759.aspx
 
Edit: This one does not exist in X3e so it was caused by a new feature.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...projects-m3361124.aspx
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/15 12:54:29 (permalink)
What an interesting conversation. Paul keyed in on it all. Basically 'we are all looking at Sonar from different needs'. Sure there are a lot of us who share likes. But it still has to do with what 'I'want to do. I remember back when all I wanted was to have something to save ideas on to share with band members. I think we all sort of started here. Music changed through the years and our demands and desires changed. Being a keyboard player, midi came along and Wow, I could play along with myself and have different parts. Ok, sounds weren't great but hey. Things progressed and finally we end up here.(I remember when I thought there had to be a better way to do strings and horns than stretch taped sounds over tape heads.lol). We now have software that can do it all. Maybe we don't need to do it all. Maybe starter software for various avenues of needs. Then a major software upgrade to incorporate it all. If we had Sonar Max, we could drop any smaller sonar platform we owned into Max and voila all would work together. There could even be a performance package to use it all live. Resources could be optimized to do the things we want to do by disabling parts that we don't need using resources. Just thinking here.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/15 13:42:04 (permalink)
I am grateful that the program works as good as it does, given all the configurations out there now.  There must be a balance between competition and uniformity.  For instance, we are lucky that midi generally works similarly on most instruments - though  a direct line connection to a PCI card from a keyboard would likely produce less latency.   If we had a clear top motherboard, cpu, video card, memory, power supply, etc. that actually was "the top" for some years" there would be some benefits.  I wonder if and when it will all peak out?  0 latency?  (Then someone will develop a latency creator so it sounds more human :)
 
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Eh, that's more for someone in QA to say. They definitely test things on a wide array of platforms and hardware configurations, but it's tough to stay on top of everything. The matrix of things they have to go through (on several OSes in several languages) is vast, and as we add new features that matrix continues to grow. 




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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/15 14:43:11 (permalink)
deswind
I wonder if and when it will all peak out?  0 latency?  (Then someone will develop a latency creator so it sounds more human :)


^^
 
I am very pleased with the direction Cakewalk is heading. I have never had a more stable DAW / system.
I hope it continues this way.
All the best.

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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/15 16:26:44 (permalink)
Pretty sure that all of my recent crashes are a result of using older plugs, some if which could easily have been 32 bit offerings.

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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/15 17:35:40 (permalink)
Stability is what moved me from other midi sequencers to Cakewalk in the DOS days.
So far, any crashes I have experienced have been down to definite causes.
Once, it really was Sonar's fault (somewhat exotic situation but repeatable).
Noel appeared on the thread and said: "Send us the dump".
Despite my grumblings, it's that kind of thing I think is great.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/15 17:43:16 (permalink)
I don't mean to step on anyone's toes, but I thought the last real dsp guy left Cake after doing the CA2A. They haven't really released any new fx plugins since then, right? I'd love to be wrong, I really like CA2A. 
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/15 23:22:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/02/16 05:09:12
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I probably shouldn't be chiming in here, but... I think sharke's last post is one of the sanest things I've read on these forums (and, for the record, I am that kid watching youtube videos and making ****ty EDM loops.) 




This is the first time anyone's ever said that anything I wrote was the sanest thing they read under any circumstances, so I hope it wasn't too presumptuous of me to award myself an actual certificate to mark the occasion. 
 


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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/16 02:27:50 (permalink)
Wow that you are THAT sane is CRAZY - hee hee.
 
It really was a nicely worded post of yours - well done, Sir!
 
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/16 03:20:17 (permalink)
Both your posts about the Dance Market market were spot on Sharke. Attracting them, I can only see the benefits for Sonar and the other user bases.
 
A YouTube series showing Sonar only tools (and those that come with it AD2 with real machines for example) and the workflow from start to finish of a danced based track. Even a series covering a few genres from that field would open a few eyes to the prospect of Sonar I'd of thought. 
 
If a respected name or names were bought in to do, and consult on it. A a few weaknesses to the system enhanced (such as in step sequencer and Matrix) so the process was slick, could be made as part of the whole plan.
 
 

 
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Re: No new features - just fixes please 2016/02/16 06:25:57 (permalink)
Some years back I was at Frankfurt Musikmesse and Brandon Ryan demoed the Matrix, looping stuff and recording the result into tracks. Very slick. And not only for EDM. But as usual, I cannot remember how he did it.
 
Unfortunately the only youtubes I can find on the Matrix are pretty lame by comparison.
 
Edit: Found this, but it's EDM-centric and doesn't go into the same depth.
https://youtu.be/KvuAsX05jUs
https://youtu.be/h3eM2r0ouFo
 
Edit2: Ah, it's important to watch all the "Worlds Collide" videos from the start, not just these two.
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