Johnbee58
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Re: Season of Tears-Original Sonar X3
2016/02/19 10:16:29
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Nice clean recording.
Just a comment on the "S" word and some others..... Personally, I'm not offended but I would generally tend to refrain from using such words. Look for other options. Using them limits the song.
On the other side..... I like the instruments you selected. Nice job on this.
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Johnbee58
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Re: Season of Tears-Original Sonar X3
2016/02/19 11:23:09
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Thanks Guitarhacker. I appreciate your opinion on use of language. I generally don't use such words, but some of my favorite artists have used it on an occasion or two, so I did here for the occasional "self expression". John B.
post edited by Johnbee58 - 2016/02/19 11:37:46
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Re: Season of Tears-Original Sonar X3
2016/02/19 13:25:40
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Hi John, Very pretty track, piano is lovely. For me, the melody you're singing isn't really working, and some of the lyrics are a bit crass, as Herb noted. The vocal delivery is pretty shaky, you seem to be unsure where to pitch it. I think this one is worth rethinking, it's a very nice musical bed.
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Re: Season of Tears-Original Sonar X3
2016/02/19 13:41:57
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Random thoughts: I really like the bridge a lot. That second chord is a lovely surprise, and the tune under "And in your mind you thought you've won" is a really satisfying and complete thought. The highest note in the tune happens at the same moment as the surprise chord, and then you switch the phrase length from two to four bars for the bridge, really elegant choices. Yum. I so appreciate that you're 'going for it' with this tune (same goes for Out in the Open as well), so take these comments for how they are meant: I'm engaged. I like the effort put into the songwriting aspect. A lot. Unfortunately for you, my engagement means I have a lot of thoughts and ideas about it. So here goes: I'm less pleased by the verse, though it has some nice parts, I found the melody under "Thinking how the time has come/It’s so strange I’ve let it go on so long" to be hard to follow and awkward. Also, though of course there's nothing to be done here, while I like your voice, I don't feel you are up to the task of all those leaps. It sort of sounds like the tune is this great dane and you're having trouble holding on to his leash :-) If your ultimate goal is for someone else to perform the song, maybe it's not a big deal, you just have to find a singer that can sell it. But if the finished product involves you singing it, your composer self might give your singer self a break and make it easier to sing. And I don't think all those leaps really get you anything. Better to hold off until the bridge comes, and then the leap there will have more impact. I also don't think the S word is right there. Not because it's a curse word, but because it holds a force and anger not consistent with the rest of the song. I would also re-think "whore" for the same reason. I know you probably think "Yeah, but that's how angry I am", and I would respond with "the rest of the song doesn't sound that angry" The rest of the lyrics, and the music, for that matter, are of such a different character, it's an inconsistency. "Your actions have no consequence/When crude behavior must commence" probably doesn't belong in the same song as "s**t". I have trouble with some of the lyrics: Grammatically, it would be "here or there". 'Nor' is used with a negative, as in "You are neither here nor there" "Is the time of crying everlasting our lives" - doesn't even make sense to me I would change it to "And in your mind you think you've won", because the rest of the bridge is in present tense, plus the second bridge verse is in present tense, plus present tense is usually more powerful anyway In general, the bridge lyrics have much more power through their simple directness than using the S word does. Go for more of that. The second verse feels very contorted lyrically. You get wrapped up in rhymes and syllables and big words and abstractions, and it feels cerebral, and you start to lose me. Then you get to "And in your mind you’re very sure/But in my heart I know/There is no point/There is no cure", and POW! I'm back on board. Fun listen, thanks for posting. Merciful enough I hope?
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Johnbee58
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Re: Season of Tears-Original Sonar X3
2016/02/19 14:37:29
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Thanks all. As far as the "S" word, I guess what it all comes down to is I just wanted to show a "bad boy" image for a change. As far as my singing, I have chronic asthma. I HATE it but I'm the only singer around my house. The melody might sound tentative, but it's not. It's just the asthma singing instead of me. I know some of the words don't make sense. I wish I could've used "everlasting IN our lives", but that would not have fit the melody. If I ever have it professionally recorded, I MIGHT change them. I'm not re recording them now though. It was painful enough getting this much. John B.
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Johnbee58
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Re: Season of Tears-Original Sonar X3
2016/02/19 17:27:42
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jamesg1213 The vocal delivery is pretty shaky, you seem to be unsure where to pitch it.
This is what singing with asthma is like. You wouldn't believe the amount of time and effort I put into the vocal track. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I do as many as 30 to 40 takes PER LINE, and this is the best I can get?! I hate every line of it. I just eventually get to the point where I say "I give up. It's the best I can do!" Even a year ago I could've done better than this. Should I give up?!
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Re: Season of Tears-Original Sonar X3
2016/02/19 18:34:33
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Re: Season of Tears-Original Sonar X3
2016/02/19 18:57:14
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Hello Johnbee58, I took a quick listen and i'm no expert but this was done really well, the music sounds very good. The vocals are very good (I know with asthma it's difficult) sit well and never minding the lyrical content, feel appropriate to the music (what ever effect is on the vocals is great)...I get a quasi Flaming Lips vibe here which I think is awesome...That guy made a whole career singing like this! To qualify: I can't really sing to save my life, that being said as far as the vocals go, you can always overdub on any "off" parts of the singing (if you think it needs it)...Overall a great effort/Thanks for sharing it here....
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Re: Season of Tears-Original Sonar X3
2016/02/19 19:13:54
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Hey JB, all you can do is your best. I appreciate someone who struggles through a conflict and follows their vision. I wish I could play keys 1/10th as well as you. This song might not ever be a hit on the pop charts, but maybe too, anyway...deliver it like you feel it! That is the only way to tap into the root, and then when you do, sharpen your tools and extract the juice. Life is a journey, and so is becoming a better artist. Jesse Q. Screed
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Johnbee58
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Re: Season of Tears-Original Sonar X3
2016/02/20 09:29:39
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Hello Twisted6s, Gerald, and Jess. Thanks so much for your kindness. John B.
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Re: Season of Tears-Original Sonar X3
2016/02/20 15:34:18
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Had a couple listens to this song the past couple days. The song reminds me a lot of 70's pop music and maybe a little hint of several of the glam rockers from that period. Like the production, chord and melody choices, etc...Very solid production. Like Herb, I agree the "S" word can reduce your listening market in some respects. "You don't care a whit", would work? Anyway, your call. I think it is quite a nice song. Regards
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Re: Season of Tears-Original Sonar X3
2016/02/21 14:52:50
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I really like this one John. i personally like the sh1t (and the whore) reference - gives the song more edge. i also really like your vocal - it suits the song. Mix-wise, everything seems to be sitting in there ok except when the bass first comes in, it seems too loud but is fine later in the song - maybe some volume automation needed?
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Johnbee58
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Re: Season of Tears-Original Sonar X3
2016/02/21 19:07:21
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Thanks Mark & Daryl. I did a remix today where I took the compression off of the master track and applied it to just the drum track (some of the toms are a bit overbearing). I didn't post it yet, but will soon. I think it sounds slightly better. JB
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