looking to buy video camera to record ban rehearsal for less than $150

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2016/02/21 19:13:26 (permalink)

looking to buy video camera to record ban rehearsal for less than $150

Willing to buy used.... Need something that's little better than iPhone and able to capture wider area...of course audio quality is very important as well.

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    sharke
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    Re: looking to buy video camera to record ban rehearsal for less than $150 2016/02/21 23:23:15 (permalink)
    Realistically, for less than $150 I don't think you're going to get anything which records with better picture quality than the latest couple of iPhones.  You're probably better off spending the $150 on a good quality iPhone microphone, like some of these:
     
    http://www.sweetwater.com/c1060--iPad_iPhone_Microphones
     
    I'm sure you could get around the width issue. 

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    Re: looking to buy video camera to record ban rehearsal for less than $150 2016/02/22 00:09:19 (permalink)
    If at all possible, it's always best to record the video with audio that you'll throw away (but use for syncing), then get a recording straight from the board.  Having awesome video is nice but, of the two (audio and video), having the best audio you can is far more important.
     
    A few people here have done this and can chime in with more information (Karyn?  Haven't you done this?).

     
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    Re: looking to buy video camera to record ban rehearsal for less than $150 2016/02/22 04:25:34 (permalink)
    Yes, record audio separate and use as many video cameras as possible.  There's nothing more boring than a single, fixed shot of a band playing which 9 times out of 10 always misses someone off the edge of frame.
     
    There is nothing wrong with the video quality of a gen 5 or gen 6 iPhone (or android equivalents). Don't borrow them from friends, you need someone to hold/work each one so just get a bunch of friends to turn up to band practice with their iPhones (or android equivalents) tell them to start recording and keep recording until the end.. then email you the vids for you to edit together.
     
    It's a lot easier to do than it is to type...
     
    But spend time in advance getting a good audio mix to record.  NOT just a feed from the board (if you use one) it will be wrong.  Either a separate mix using a couple of aux busses, or a stereo pair placed at the best point in the room, or best option, a separate mic feed to Sonar (other DAWs are available) to mix down later...

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    Re: looking to buy video camera to record ban rehearsal for less than $150 2016/02/22 10:04:18 (permalink)
    The important question is: "Why are you recording rehearsal"?
     
    One answer that come to mind is so you can trouble-shoot moves etc, in which case no need for fancy camera work.
    If for youtube etc. then the above answers apply.
    Your post subject ...

    "...camera to record ban [sic] rehearsal..."

    ..made me think of all the band rehearsals I have been in that should have been "banned".
    post edited by rbecker - 2016/02/22 10:19:18

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    Re: looking to buy video camera to record ban rehearsal for less than $150 2016/02/22 13:02:42 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    A couple of funny notes ... a friend of mine did videos for a couple of bands in Santa Barbara and I got to see it done ... and he had one cheating little bit that was very cool ... a clock with tenths of seconds on it moving in the background ... away from the shot itself, and when the camera was not the "on shot", it needed to catch that clock asap. The side bit of that is that you have a clock now, and you can use the same clock in the studio if you need.
     
    I don't know, how efficient this was, but he went on to do several bands in there, and I moved away to the Pacific Northwest, and lost touch, but would have liked to see it again. He did everything with 2 takes, and the clock was red on one and blue on the other, just in case, but I do not know if "timing" was an issue, other than in two takes, it would be impossible for the folks to be exact and perfectly in time for a specific moment, is my only thought.
     
    When I did my film of Kevin Ayers' song, I used a cassette during shooting, so the folks would know where/when and such, but there was no dialogue per se, as the song was the dialogue. Putting it together in the studio was a matter of timing the music to the frames, and that was not as hard, taking away a frame or two (Super 8) ... but matching a 5 second drum break in the middle of a sequence was tough, but I got it done, and Tom Payne (the drummer) helped tremendously on that and I got it to fit the film.
     
    It was never released, because Ray Manzarek would not let me use the bit by the Doors at the end, and I could not find a singer that could repeat that same set of words and scream (the opening of American Prayer all the way to "has this dream stopped"?)
     
    I find it easy to get "visuals" to a band's music (it's how I interpret all music!), but I have to admit that I do not look forward to sync issues ... although I have to tell you that in the film, in the studio, when I match perfect two parts ... I was high for 2 days because of it! 
     
    Challenges, in film/video, just like directing with actors, is a wonderful challenge and sometimes, the things that happen ... are neat. The special moment is always a treat, but filming a band "live", is not exactly something that I would want to do, although I could easily direct it, or run a camera ... which is my biggest complaint about folks doing so ... most idiots don't even know the music ... and one example was GONG in SF's International Music Festival, when Daevid Allen was playing to the camera, started his thing, and 20 seconds later, the camera moved away, and Daevid in a funny sort of way did a finger! 
     
    A good director would not have allowed "moments" to slip away ... EVER!
     
    The video camera I want ... is about 2K now, and it has a sync unit in it, although it would take me a long time to learn it well enough to know how to use properly, and probably would go around it until such a time. But for rehearsal? I would rehearse straight out away from the cameras to get folks familiar and comfortable with people coming and going around you ... which is very annoying for some players. I think that I might be real slow about music with a band live ... and study it hard! This way you also learn how to get around it if you absolutely have to.
     
    post edited by Moshkito - 2016/02/22 13:24:24

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