AnsweredISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output)

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ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output)

I am having this issue for a while, since X3 times. When I insert a soft synth template the input of the soft synth audio track gets routed to the previous soft synth's output. Everytime I insert a soft synth template I have to manually re route the inputs. Anyone have the same problem?
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/22 14:49:50 (permalink)
My issue is there in my own synth templates and also sonars factory templates. What I have noticed is that something happens when I insert a soft synth template that all inputs to the audio tracks in the template goes a -1 . I know it's hard to understand so let me illustrate.

Let's say I open a new empty project with no audio or midi track. And I insert sonars factory soft synth template True Pianos 》Piano Dub style. Everything gets inserted as it should be. No problem. Everything gets routed as it should and I can start playing the piano or record it. There is no issue when there is no other synth present in the project. Now I try to add one more synth the problem comes up. I go on and insert factory template Studio Instruments Bass 》Chorus Rock. And try to play it I hear no sound. So I split the instrument track and check the routing. No problem with the midi track, it's routed ok. Then I check the audio track is input is routed to True Pianos Primary Output: Stereo. Same thing happens for what ever synth template I insert. Only when there is no other soft synth in the project everything gets routed properly or else the input gets routed to the previous synth output.

Now if I insert a soft synth with multiple outputs. Eg now if I insert Session Drummer 3 》TR-909 Produced Multi-Out. SD3 Kick track's input gets routed to SI-Bass Guitar 1 Primary Output: Stereo. SD3 Snare track's input gets routed to SessionDrummer 1/2 stereo (SD Kick output). And SD3 HiHat gets routed to SessionDrummer 3/4 stereo (SD Snare output) and so on. That's y I said everything gets routed to a -1. Is there any solution. Is it a bug?

It happens only with templates. No problem if I try inserting the synth from the synth rack. But I always use the templates coz I have a large number of custom templates which I always use.
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 05:13:48 (permalink)
Any help :-\
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 12:18:45 (permalink)
That's pretty weird; I don't recall ever hearing of that, and can't reproduce it now. This is in Platinum - Manchester? If so, try installing the Newburyport update just released. Otherwise you might need to uninstall/reinstall - sounds like something's corrupted. Or there's a more general issue with the way your PC is enumerating audio ports that's confusing SONAR.
 
What happens if you re-save a track template with the correct synth output assigned, and re-load it?
 
EDIT: You might also try re-naming AUD.INI, and letting SONAR build a new one.

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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 13:16:31 (permalink)
Thanks very much for the reply. Yea looks like somethings corrupted. I forgot to mention I had the same problem before and solved it by complete uninstall and re install. But it started happening again within few weeks. I also deleted all my track templates and created new ones thinking somethings corrupted in them. I can try re install now. But it's a big task to do. Your other idea seams worth a try. How exactly should I do that. Is it safe. Where can I find AUD.INI
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 13:25:21 (permalink)
Found out configuration file in Preferences. Can I just try clicking the 'Reset Config to Defaults' button there.
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 13:49:17 (permalink)
I would recommend renaming the file just in case there is some setting you may want to retrieve. The file is in %appdata%\Cakewalk in a SONAR version specific folder.
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 13:53:45 (permalink)
I tried the 'Reset Config to Defaults' option. No use. Its still the same. If someone has an option to solve this without uninstalling it will be help full. The problem happens only when loading the soft synth templates. It has some thing to do with an error while the soft synth templates gets inserted.
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 13:56:15 (permalink)
scook Thanks. I already reset it and took a back up copy of the old file. Sonar actually renames them automatically. I also took the back up myself. If required let me do it again by renaming it. If that's required.
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 14:06:05 (permalink)
To make sure I also tried renaming it manually. Still the problem exists. Now I am wondering what settings does my old AUD.INI would have preserved. Should I retrieve it back. I guess I can ignore it.
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 14:07:47 (permalink)
To make sure I also tried renaming it manually. Still the problem exists. Now I am wondering what settings does my old AUD.INI would have preserved. Should I retrieve it back. I guess I can ignore it.

Wait I do find few more INI files in the same folder. Will resting them help?
post edited by sonarman1 - 2016/02/23 14:24:57
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 14:10:12 (permalink)
EdiT
post edited by sonarman1 - 2016/02/23 14:26:09
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 14:11:05 (permalink)
If you want to reset everything, holding the CTRL+SHIFT keys while starting SONAR will overwrite the files in your user folder and some registry entries, returning them to factory defaults
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 14:13:45 (permalink)
Cool. I'll try that and get back to you :)
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 14:27:59 (permalink)
Tried it with no use. Are you sure that will reset everything? Cos all of the INI files other than AUD seems unchanged with same old dates. I did get a pop up saying "SONAR will now personalise your user settings by copying application data files" when I opened holding down ctrl+shift.
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 14:44:54 (permalink)
I don't think resetting your config will change anything; this just looks like a Sonar bug, plain and simple.
 
I have seen soft synth inputs get screwed up from time to time and I didn't know what caused it - this seems like a candidate as I often use track templates.
 
I've also seen track templates mess up drum maps quite significantly too.

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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 14:56:56 (permalink)
Oh gawd! I did renamed the entire app data folder as Sonar Platinum Backup and when I started sonar it did create a new app data folder itself. But no use, the problem remains.
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 16:53:44 (permalink)
Kylotan
this just looks like a Sonar bug, plain and simple.

If that were true, I would expect to have seen dozens of threads like it by now, and I've seen none. It may be a bug, but hardly 'plain and simple'; clearly the OP's particular environment is a factor.
 

I've also seen track templates mess up drum maps quite significantly too.

 
Drum Maps are a whole different issue. Soft synth MIDI ports are assigned and numbered in the order they're inserted. If the new synth is on a different virtual port than when the template was originally saved, the map is going to be wrong - unavoidable, but easily corrected.

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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/23 19:51:02 (permalink)
I confess I never ever use simple instrument tracks, so if that plays any part in this, I will not have ever run across it.
 
I always manually insert my audio and midi tracks, because I like the deliberate nature of insert/name/route that makes sense in my head - anyways, everything always works for me, by doing this myself every time I ever insert tracks/synths.
 
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/24 01:18:09 (permalink)
Alright guys I will have to fresh install and see. I can't do it right now, I will have to wait a few days. Till then if anyone got any idea to solve this u are welcome.
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/24 02:40:39 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby sonarman1 2016/04/14 17:13:54
I was able to get this to reproduce if I turned off all the inputs on my Focusrite in the preferences.  So I had just audio output devices and no audio input devices.   With my normal 2 audio input devices the second synth track uses the correct input to the audio track (the one from the synth itself).  But without my two audio inputs it seems to use the first soft synth's output as the input.
 
What does your Prefernces->Audio->Devices page look like?  A screen shot might be useful. 

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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/24 08:00:27 (permalink)
Wow! msorrels you are simply awesome. I changed my driver mode to ASIO and the problem solved. Hurrah! I was using MME 32 bit driver which for some reason doesn't seem to have input drivers.
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/24 08:16:49 (permalink)
But ideally it should work correctly without input driver right. Hope the bakers look in to it. Also I like using MME than ASIO but now I can't. :(
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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/24 16:00:18 (permalink)
It should work without any input drivers.  Be sure and submit bug report or a support ticket or something.  The only thing that has worked for me is posting here and hoping someone from Cakewalk development sees it.  The wall between support and development at Cakewalk appears to be nearly unbreachable.  But spring is coming, perhaps they will do something to sort out the input/output/routing issues that have plagued Cakewalk for so many years.

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Re: ISSUE with Soft synth templates input (changes to previous synth's output) 2016/02/24 22:25:47 (permalink)
Yup
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