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2016/03/04 15:01:55 (permalink)

Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor

I have been unsuccessful in using Izotope RX5 as a wave editor within Sonar.
 
I have followed the official Sonar procedure for incorporating wave editors into the Sonar Tools menu (last updated in 2010, which provides instructions on editing the registry), and I have checked "share drivers with other programs" in the audio > playback and recording options. I have also reviewed all other threads here that I have been able to find. However, when invoking RX5 from within Sonar, RX5 indicates and error that it has no access to the audio driver. This behavior is the same whether or not "share drivers with other programs" is checked. I have made sure that RX5 is in focus, and I am using ASIO drivers.
 
My questions are:
 
1) has anyone gotten this to work? If so, how?
 
2) Would using the "RX Connect" VST work better?
 
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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/04 18:37:09 (permalink)
I think as of RX4, using "RX Connect" is the preferred method.
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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/04 20:10:08 (permalink)

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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/04 20:36:09 (permalink)
The problem you are having is with shared audio drivers.  Some audio drivers/sound cards are more flexible than others for that.  If you can't get RX to share the ASIO driver with Sonar, you might want to try setting RX to use the WDM driver.  Sometimes that can share with Sonar and you don't really need low latency in RX.  It all depends on your sound card and driver.  I've had lots of luck sharing with my very old Focusrite Saffire, but other cards/drivers will be hit or miss.
 
I'd also recommend using the tool Cactus Music points out.  With RX as a wave editor you need to specify the RegionFlag to off, otherwise you get this silly error every time it starts up.

-Matt
 
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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/06 21:18:03 (permalink)
msorrels:
 
regionflag is a DWORD set to 0x00000000. Is this off?
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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/07 14:11:37 (permalink)
RX Connect is the way to use it with Sonar or any other compatible DAW.

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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/07 14:23:59 (permalink)
Atsuko:
 
Thanks for the suggestion, and I'll give RX Connect a try. However, I queried Izotope about how to use RX Connect within Sonar about a week ago, and they replied that RX Connect is not supported for Sonar and directed me to the Cakewalk procedure for adding wave editors to the Sonar tools menu.
 
Again, though, I'll give it a try.
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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/07 14:51:23 (permalink)
Keith, in the statement below from the iZotope site it's clear for me that this is the way to use RX as a wave editor in any compatible DAW. I only use the VSTs but look at this thread, specially #14 e #15:
http://forum.cakewalk.com...-Connect-m3089117.aspx

RX Connect

Integrate a quick workflow between your DAW/NLE and RX Audio Editor to utilize all the repair/enhancement modules needed to cleanup production audio.  For Pro Tools RX Connect now supports clip-by-clip and handles which preserves the boundaries of clips, so you can conform to future picture changes with ease, making RX Audio Editor a natural extension of Pro Tools.  RX Monitor enables you to monitor your audio from the RX Audio Editor application through your host application (i.e. Pro Tools, which does not allow other applications to use their hardware simultaneously). 

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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/07 15:43:52 (permalink)
Using the RX Monitor along with the Share Drivers with other programs option unchecked is how I got it to work. Though I haven't figured out how to get it to render the audio back to SONAR yet.
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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/08 18:58:52 (permalink)
I'm with superdan...... I get RX5 to open OK from the tools menu, and/or by using the RX Connect but have not yet figured out how to get a rendered file back into the SONAR track.  (Have not spent a lot of time with it either).  One of these days......

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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/09 11:12:35 (permalink)
If you click the "Send It Back" tab in RX5, it should take you back to SONAR where you see a dialog box saying "Select Process to Commit Changes" (or something like that, I'm away from my DAW). That will do it.
 
Sometimes the dialog doesn't appear and you have to repeat everything. Sometimes the modified clip will start playing on its own, which appears to be due to thru RX Connect plugin in the Effects Bin. I don't know why this happens.
 
The RX Connect route is a bit clumsy and not perfectly reliable in my experience. On the other hand, RX5 is fantastic.

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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/09 12:13:35 (permalink)
Yesterday, I gave it a try and it worked for me.  I inserted RX connect in the fx bin, selected the audio clip, opened RX connect (it starts to retrieve the audio clip), clicked in "Repair" then RX opens the clip in its pool, made some tweaks and clicked in the Sonar tab to send it back.  Although I selected only the clip, RX brought the entire track to the pool but I don't think it's a problem at all. Well, I'm gonna do more tests but, at least, I think it works ok.

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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/11 20:24:54 (permalink)
I am able to use RX5 using the RX Monitor method. I plan to try using RX Connect also and then select the method which I find easiest to use. However, under any circumstance, when I open RX5 within Sonar, an error window appears that I have to click on several times before it will disappear permanently. In a previous post above, msorrels indicated that this could be solved by setting the regionflag to off. In my registry, the regionflag is a DWORD set to 0x00000000. Is this off?
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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/13 04:28:08 (permalink)
RegionFlag set to 0 is off.
 
You can read more about this in this thread:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3221385
 
If you are getting an error from RX with a caption of "Can't open use session data folder" and text like "The currently selected session data folder cannot be used.  Open preferences, and choose a new session data folder" that is the region flag problem. 
 
But if you error messages have anything to do with sound drivers or ASIO, that error is your audio card doesn't like sharing its drivers with two applications.  The only way to fix that (if it can be fixed at all) is very specific to the drivers/sound card you are using.  There is an option in the Sonar preferences about sharing that might help (though it works so rarely I'd not get my hopes up).  When that doesn't work you can sometimes set the external application (in this case RX) to use the WDM/MMO/Windows native drivers instead of ASIO.  So let Sonar have the ASIO drivers and the external app use the native windows driver.  That kind of setup is a very fragile and unlikely to be reliable but I have seen it work.  Those are the only two generic work arounds I know of.  Everything else is driver/audio card specific settings and other configuration magic.

-Matt
 
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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/13 04:56:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2016/03/13 05:29:02
Is this only an issue with the newer RX versions? Because that would be a good reason NOT to update, for me. I'm on RX3. Whenever I close RX3 after editing a file Sonar sent, Sonar says "this file has changed, would you like to update the waveform preview" or something like that. It always goes automatically.
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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/13 05:18:52 (permalink)
I believe that is the case. Sharke just asked similar with using Adobe Audition, and the above is also what I observe when making destructive changes. I "believe" the above RegionFlag reference is for programs which can see a "clip" discretely (i.e., "Region FX") inside the underlying wav file, and that both older versions of RX and Audition do not have this capability (so get the entire wav file passed to them instead).

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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/03/13 05:29:07 (permalink)
Right, true, RX3 always gets the whole wave. I don't see this as a problem although it would be "neater" if it didn't. Still, bounce to clip is a perfectly valid workaround if you want to leave the larger wave untouched. 
 
My main point was that when the file comes back, Sonar does automatically register it has changed and updates accordingly. 
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Re: Incorporating RX5 as Wave Editor 2016/11/19 06:00:58 (permalink)
I got RX Connect to work with RX5
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Izotope-RX-5-and-Sonar-m3505341.aspx
 
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