Ricebug
Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
- Total Posts : 181
- Joined: 2014/06/21 18:54:51
- Location: Nampa-Caldwell, Idaho
- Status: offline
[Solved] Sonar & Native Instruments
I'm using NI's Session Horns on a Sonar track, which is reading MIDI note data. I have 'write' enabled on both the track and in the NI instrument window. I press 'record,' using Sound on Sound. I change the horn section dynamics throughout the piece, thinking I'm recording them. But during playback, none of the control data has been recorded. I'm able to do this with NI's Vintage Organs, toggling the Leslie speaker (pitchbend wheel) . So what am I doing wrong with Session Horns?
post edited by Ricebug - 2016/03/11 18:46:20
Sonar Platinum / AMD 5 ghz 8-core CPU w/8 GB RAM / nVidia GTX-780 graphics / Roland A-500Pro MIDI keyboard / Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 interface / Komplete 9 Ultimate / Melodyne Essential / Digitech Vocalist Live Pro/ Roland MSGS synth module / Rode NT2 microphone / an understanding wife
|
gbar
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 44
- Joined: 2014/07/10 12:20:30
- Status: offline
Re: Sonar & Native Instruments
2016/03/07 09:07:50
(permalink)
The only way I have been able to use Sonar to record Kontakt controller information in real time is to define controls in the synth rack for your inserted instance of Kontakt and then record the automation. Now, if you already have CC data in PRV, I think you can convert it to the automation lane info, but not the other way around. It's not the prettiest solution, IMO. But if you want to enable real time control recording, I don't know of another way presently. https://www.cakewalk.com/...elp=SoftSynths.13.html
|
dcumpian
Max Output Level: -34 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4124
- Joined: 2005/11/03 15:50:51
- Status: offline
Re: Sonar & Native Instruments
2016/03/07 09:58:18
(permalink)
The kind of automation you are attempting is not the kind that the R/W buttons are for. To record midi performance changes like you are doing means you are recording midi continuous controller changes (CC). By far, the easiest method is to have a keyboard or midi controller with a few controllers on it. Then, right click in your instrument (Session Horns) on the item you want to control and select "midi learn", then wiggle a controller on your keyboard or midi controller. Start recording normally and move the controller to capture your changes. If you don't have a hardware controller handy, you can manually add a CC lane in the PRV and map it to your instrument, then use a mouse to draw your controller messages. This is the hard way. Regards, Dan
Mixing is all about control. My music: http://dancumpian.bandcamp.com/ or https://soundcloud.com/dcumpian Studiocat Advanced Studio DAW (Intel i5 3550 @ 3.7GHz, Z77 motherboard, 16GB Ram, lots of HDDs), Sonar Plat, Mackie 1604, PreSonus Audiobox 44VSL, ESI 4x4 Midi Interface, Ibanez Bass, Custom Fender Mexi-Strat, NI S88, Roland JV-2080 & MDB-1, Komplete, Omnisphere, Lots o' plugins.
|
gbar
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 44
- Joined: 2014/07/10 12:20:30
- Status: offline
Re: Sonar & Native Instruments
2016/03/07 10:39:58
(permalink)
dcumpian By far, the easiest method is to have a keyboard or midi controller with a few controllers on it. Then, right click in your instrument (Session Horns) on the item you want to control and select "midi learn", then wiggle a controller on your keyboard or midi controller. Start recording normally and move the controller to capture your changes. Regards, Dan
Doh, that's a better answer. For some reason, I automagically assume somebody is going to try to record controller info after the notes are already there.
post edited by gbar - 2016/03/07 14:13:03
|
dcumpian
Max Output Level: -34 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4124
- Joined: 2005/11/03 15:50:51
- Status: offline
Re: Sonar & Native Instruments
2016/03/07 15:33:28
(permalink)
gbar
dcumpian By far, the easiest method is to have a keyboard or midi controller with a few controllers on it. Then, right click in your instrument (Session Horns) on the item you want to control and select "midi learn", then wiggle a controller on your keyboard or midi controller. Start recording normally and move the controller to capture your changes. Regards, Dan
Doh, that's a better answer. For some reason, I automagically assume somebody is going to try to record controller info after the notes are already there.
That's the beauty of this method. You can record the controller changes after the notes are there. Regards, Dan
Mixing is all about control. My music: http://dancumpian.bandcamp.com/ or https://soundcloud.com/dcumpian Studiocat Advanced Studio DAW (Intel i5 3550 @ 3.7GHz, Z77 motherboard, 16GB Ram, lots of HDDs), Sonar Plat, Mackie 1604, PreSonus Audiobox 44VSL, ESI 4x4 Midi Interface, Ibanez Bass, Custom Fender Mexi-Strat, NI S88, Roland JV-2080 & MDB-1, Komplete, Omnisphere, Lots o' plugins.
|
Ricebug
Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
- Total Posts : 181
- Joined: 2014/06/21 18:54:51
- Location: Nampa-Caldwell, Idaho
- Status: offline
Re: Sonar & Native Instruments
2016/03/08 07:38:43
(permalink)
I should have mentioned that it's the velocity info I'm trying to record (FoPiCre, rip, shake, etc). However, this isn't your standard, smack-the-key-harder velocity CC.
Sonar Platinum / AMD 5 ghz 8-core CPU w/8 GB RAM / nVidia GTX-780 graphics / Roland A-500Pro MIDI keyboard / Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 interface / Komplete 9 Ultimate / Melodyne Essential / Digitech Vocalist Live Pro/ Roland MSGS synth module / Rode NT2 microphone / an understanding wife
|
DRanck
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 608
- Joined: 2013/05/31 18:35:32
- Location: Sarasota, FL USA
- Status: offline
Re: Sonar & Native Instruments
2016/03/08 10:12:47
(permalink)
Velocity is not a CC so I'm a bit confused. There is one velocity value for each note. It's a note property like pitch is. You can edit velocity in the PRV though.
My Sound CloudWebsiteYoutube ChannelThe way that I've always gone about making music, the rule of thumb, has just been to make what I love. Amy Lee Sonar Pro 64 (Newburyport), Akai Pro MPK 88, i7-4770K, ASUS Z87-PRO V, 32GB SDRAM 1866, SAMSUNG 840 EVO 500GB SSD, 2 - WD BLACK 2TB, Samsung USB 3.0 SSD, Win 10 Pro 64, Radeon R9 270 Video 2GB, Dell P2314T 23" Touchscreen, Gateway 23" monitor, Presonus USB Audio Interface, Surface Pro 2 w/ Xotopad as a control surface
|
Ricebug
Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
- Total Posts : 181
- Joined: 2014/06/21 18:54:51
- Location: Nampa-Caldwell, Idaho
- Status: offline
Re: Sonar & Native Instruments
2016/03/08 21:28:44
(permalink)
Velocity = touch sensitivity.
Sonar Platinum / AMD 5 ghz 8-core CPU w/8 GB RAM / nVidia GTX-780 graphics / Roland A-500Pro MIDI keyboard / Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 interface / Komplete 9 Ultimate / Melodyne Essential / Digitech Vocalist Live Pro/ Roland MSGS synth module / Rode NT2 microphone / an understanding wife
|
DRanck
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 608
- Joined: 2013/05/31 18:35:32
- Location: Sarasota, FL USA
- Status: offline
Re: Sonar & Native Instruments
2016/03/09 10:28:15
(permalink)
Ricebug Velocity = touch sensitivity.
Ok, but those are 2 very different things. Aftertouch is a CC. Velocity is not. That's why I was not quite understanding your goal.
My Sound CloudWebsiteYoutube ChannelThe way that I've always gone about making music, the rule of thumb, has just been to make what I love. Amy Lee Sonar Pro 64 (Newburyport), Akai Pro MPK 88, i7-4770K, ASUS Z87-PRO V, 32GB SDRAM 1866, SAMSUNG 840 EVO 500GB SSD, 2 - WD BLACK 2TB, Samsung USB 3.0 SSD, Win 10 Pro 64, Radeon R9 270 Video 2GB, Dell P2314T 23" Touchscreen, Gateway 23" monitor, Presonus USB Audio Interface, Surface Pro 2 w/ Xotopad as a control surface
|
Ricebug
Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
- Total Posts : 181
- Joined: 2014/06/21 18:54:51
- Location: Nampa-Caldwell, Idaho
- Status: offline
Re: Sonar & Native Instruments
2016/03/09 15:54:19
(permalink)
Yah, Native Instruments calls it 'velocity.' I have a Roland keyboard with an acoustic guitar sound. Play normal and you get guitar. Bang the keys harder, you get string bending added. In Session Horns, it doesn't matter how hard or soft you play. You pick a horn style from the velocity menu, and away you go. To change, you have to select a different velocity menu item. I'd like to automate that. Their manual stinks, BTW. Doesn't explain the technical stuff; just describes each menu item.
Sonar Platinum / AMD 5 ghz 8-core CPU w/8 GB RAM / nVidia GTX-780 graphics / Roland A-500Pro MIDI keyboard / Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 interface / Komplete 9 Ultimate / Melodyne Essential / Digitech Vocalist Live Pro/ Roland MSGS synth module / Rode NT2 microphone / an understanding wife
|
DRanck
Max Output Level: -78 dBFS
- Total Posts : 608
- Joined: 2013/05/31 18:35:32
- Location: Sarasota, FL USA
- Status: offline
Re: Sonar & Native Instruments
2016/03/10 01:02:58
(permalink)
In Session Horns the Velocity Switch uses Velocity not aftertouch. In the Performance instrument for example, you can set velocity to control normal / Crescendo (FoPiCre). High velocity (strike the keys harder) causes a Sforzando (FoPiCre). But I don't see any way to change the velocity switch with a midi CC or keyswitch. You might have to set up separate tracks for each velocity switch you want to use or use something like Transmidifier to map keyswitches to midi channels. For that to work you would load a separate instance of the single articulation instrument and set each to a different articulation and midi channel. Then set up keyswitches in transmidifier that map to the different channels. Not a quick fix but once you got it up and running it should work well. One option might be to load a separate instance of the single articulation instrument into Kontakt for each articulation you want to use. Then go into instrument options (the gears) and set a different velocity range for each articulation. You'd want to control dynamics with CC11. I'm not sure if that would work. eInstruments should have allowed the articulations to be automated with keyswitches.
My Sound CloudWebsiteYoutube ChannelThe way that I've always gone about making music, the rule of thumb, has just been to make what I love. Amy Lee Sonar Pro 64 (Newburyport), Akai Pro MPK 88, i7-4770K, ASUS Z87-PRO V, 32GB SDRAM 1866, SAMSUNG 840 EVO 500GB SSD, 2 - WD BLACK 2TB, Samsung USB 3.0 SSD, Win 10 Pro 64, Radeon R9 270 Video 2GB, Dell P2314T 23" Touchscreen, Gateway 23" monitor, Presonus USB Audio Interface, Surface Pro 2 w/ Xotopad as a control surface
|
Ricebug
Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
- Total Posts : 181
- Joined: 2014/06/21 18:54:51
- Location: Nampa-Caldwell, Idaho
- Status: offline
Re: Sonar & Native Instruments
2016/03/11 18:32:59
(permalink)
NI sent me a link that answers the question. I didn't know you had to arm both 'W' and 'R'.
Sonar Platinum / AMD 5 ghz 8-core CPU w/8 GB RAM / nVidia GTX-780 graphics / Roland A-500Pro MIDI keyboard / Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 interface / Komplete 9 Ultimate / Melodyne Essential / Digitech Vocalist Live Pro/ Roland MSGS synth module / Rode NT2 microphone / an understanding wife
|