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Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
Nudge works fine when going through menus, refuses to bind to keys, no matter what keys they are.
Before you start talking about "did you make sure numlock was on, did you bind the function to a key" and all of that, I have been using Sonar/Cakewalk since PA days, I know how to bind keys, and have been doing these kinds of things with the software for years. This feels like a bug and I am hoping someone has found a workaround.
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/06 12:16:00
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/06 12:46:12
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Multiple reports coming in on this. Sounds like this explains all the others.
So a new bug.
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/06 12:54:10
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Is simple to verify the keybindings, but something that did strike me odd is that the Num Pad keys "register" as the number row keys (screensets) when in the assignment window and the listbox below the "Locate Key" button has focus. I honestly have never noticed this before today, so not sure if that behavior is related to this issue or not (also commented on that thread about this). "Locate Key" works, but hitting NumPad 1 alone does not.
To the OP, I was able to rebind them using "Locate Key" on NumPad 1, and "Nudge" Since they were all in view at that point I did the binding with the mouse only.
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/06 13:58:10
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I use my # 7 - 9 number keys for fastforward / reverse.
ive bound them to make life easier in scrolling the timeline left and right.
I can remember if these were binded to the nudge or not.
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/06 21:01:45
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I can reproduce this simpleM - nudge definitely not functioning on the numeric keypad, even after manual binding under preferences. I am on the N update. Could be that Sonar is not recognising the numlock key state?
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/06 21:05:52
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mettelus
Is simple to verify the keybindings, but something that did strike me odd is that the Num Pad keys "register" as the number row keys (screensets) when in the assignment window and the listbox below the "Locate Key" button has focus. I honestly have never noticed this before today, so not sure if that behavior is related to this issue or not (also commented on that thread about this). "Locate Key" works, but hitting NumPad 1 alone does not.
To the OP, I was able to rebind them using "Locate Key" on NumPad 1, and "Nudge" Since they were all in view at that point I did the binding with the mouse only.
Hi mettelus. I tried this and they show as bound but do not function. Did you bind them with the numlock key on or off? If I turn numlock off they will bind and function - but that is to the wrong keys.
post edited by tenfoot - 2016/03/06 21:32:01
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/06 22:34:17
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☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2016/03/07 01:03:47
Interesting, I just tried to confirm so I could alert the Bakers. However it's working as expected with Newburyport. I wonder if the issue is that I don't use keyboard bindings for this, I just accept the default and have never bound nudge to the keyboard...I assume I didn't need to, because it worked.
When I looked at Preferences, they show as not bound. Perhaps SONAR automatically binds these, and senses some sort of conflict if you go in there and attempt to bind them yourself?
Maybe someone could try an experiment: If you have them bound, zap any existing nudge bindings, then try again and see if it works.
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/06 22:45:39
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Hi Craig. Thanks for chiming in. I zapped all of the bindings for nudge and still no change. Weird
They show the default 'assigned' to nudge' without the user binding indicator but do not function.
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/06 22:52:47
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☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2016/03/07 01:03:38
Anderton
When I looked at Preferences, they show as not bound. Perhaps SONAR automatically binds these, and senses some sort of conflict if you go in there and attempt to bind them yourself?
Yes, by default 1,3,4,6,7 and 9 are bound to the nudge functions. When I tested them in Newburyport earlier today, they worked in a new project on a selected audio and MIDI clips. The locate key function in the keybindings preference screen will show the bindings when a project is loaded.
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/06 22:55:37
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Got it Craig - I had to zap ALL key bindings as the nudge status changed with each 'area' drop down menu. Working as expected now. Thanks for that. Now to just reassign my custom keys:)
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/07 00:07:33
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I am on M1. I just checked my reassignment, and they remained assigned (I assigned them with the NumLock enabled). Cycled the NumLock and still assigned.
But... I found something even nuttier and more concerning. Num 2 and Num 8 are not assigned to anything, yet when I hit Num 2/Num 8 it took the selected clip (track 1), and moved in up/down tracks. Track 2 is a comped track (only one take lane), and as the clip from Track 1 "passed through" Track 2, it obliterated the take (first replaced, then nothing left)... that is with the take expanded.
Closed/Reopened project (no save)... Track 2 take lanes collapsed... moving this clip added a new take each time it "passed through" but did not harm the existing take. As soon as I expanded lanes, the moved clip again replaced/obliterated the only take with data on Track 2 (take 1), even after I had just created 8 new "blank takes" with the lanes collapsed.
So there is an issue with the NumLock key... I do not have Num2 or Num8 assigned, yet SONAR is acting like the NumLock is off for "certain instances." I am actually more concerned by the take lane behavior as I have never seen this before.
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/07 00:44:25
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mettelus
I am on M1. I just checked my reassignment, and they remained assigned (I assigned them with the NumLock enabled). Cycled the NumLock and still assigned.
But... I found something even nuttier and more concerning. Num 2 and Num 8 are not assigned to anything, yet when I hit Num 2/Num 8 it took the selected clip (track 1), and moved in up/down tracks. Track 2 is a comped track (only one take lane), and as the clip from Track 1 "passed through" Track 2, it obliterated the take (first replaced, then nothing left)... that is with the take expanded.
Closed/Reopened project (no save)... Track 2 take lanes collapsed... moving this clip added a new take each time it "passed through" but did not harm the existing take. As soon as I expanded lanes, the moved clip again replaced/obliterated the only take with data on Track 2 (take 1), even after I had just created 8 new "blank takes" with the lanes collapsed.
So there is an issue with the NumLock key... I do not have Num2 or Num8 assigned, yet SONAR is acting like the NumLock is off for "certain instances." I am actually more concerned by the take lane behavior as I have never seen this before.
Thanks Mettelus - have since got it sorted. With regards 2 and 8, as Scook describes above if they are not assigned to anything custom they will default to nudge up/Nudge down. Could that explain what you are seeing? EDIT : Sorry, my bad. No they aren't.
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/07 02:35:02
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I had this problem as well on Sonar Platinum Manchester, and fixed it in January 2016. I deleted my keyboard shortcuts file (which was probably from 8.5) and imported a clean default keyboard shortcuts file and re-added my custom bindings (I only had about 15, so this approach was suitable for me). Now all of the 9 nudge bindings appear as if they aren't assigned, but they all work as they should. It seemed like the keyboard shortcuts file got corrupted at some point, and recreating it solved the problem.
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/07 03:35:26
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shawker
I had this problem as well on Sonar Platinum Manchester, and fixed it in January 2016. I deleted my keyboard shortcuts file (which was probably from 8.5) and imported a clean default keyboard shortcuts file and re-added my custom bindings (I only had about 15, so this approach was suitable for me). Now all of the 9 nudge bindings appear as if they aren't assigned, but they all work as they should. It seemed like the keyboard shortcuts file got corrupted at some point, and recreating it solved the problem.
I think this might have been my problem too shawker. I don't quite know the vintage of my shortcuts file but it is certainly very old!
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/07 04:04:31
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I just imported SONAR Default Key Assignments.kbn from the Keyboard Shortcuts menu and added my custom bindings back in and all was well.
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/07 12:02:03
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mettelus
But... I found something even nuttier and more concerning. Num 2 and Num 8 are not assigned to anything, yet when I hit Num 2/Num 8 it took the selected clip (track 1), and moved in up/down tracks.
That's the default behaviour (and shows as such in Preferences). From the Help : Table 59. Nudge Shortcut Left 1 NumPad 1 Right 1 NumPad 3 Left 2 NumPad 4 Right 2 NumPad 6 Left 3 NumPad 7 Right 3 NumPad 9 Up NumPad 8Down NumPad 2
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/07 13:57:38
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Thanks for the confirmation. I assumed that might be the case but was more concerned with the "take lane wiping" while using them. It seems the Num2/Num8 are mimicking "shift-drag" behavior, which is fine, but I am not sure the behavior of creating a new lane when collapsed, but overwriting lanes when open is intended. This may already have a bug report against it, but not investigated. Steps for this, move clip with Num2/Num8 across tracks with collapsed take lanes. It inserts a take each time. If you have lanes expanded when doing so, it replaces the data in take lane 1 (even though 2 is empty, and 3 could be created).
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/07 20:00:53
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But... I found something even nuttier and more concerning. Num 2 and Num 8 are not assigned to anything, yet when I hit Num 2/Num 8 it took the selected clip (track 1), and moved in up/down tracks.
That's the default behaviour (and shows as such in Preferences). From the Help :
Table 59.
Nudge Shortcut
Left 1 NumPad 1
Right 1 NumPad 3
Left 2 NumPad 4
Right 2 NumPad 6
Left 3 NumPad 7
Right 3 NumPad 9
Up NumPad 8
Down NumPad 2
Thanks Paul. I thought this was the case Paul, but after posting checked the preferences and discovered it wasn't. I have just realised that this changes when you open a project then check the preferences.
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/07 20:32:51
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I thought this was the case Paul, but after posting checked the preferences and discovered it wasn't. I have just realised that this changes when you open a project then check the preferences.
Man, talk about subtleties. I've never checked preferences without a project of some sort being open so I just had to try this out. And you're right. Opening Sonar, but not a project, Preferences shows the keys unbound. What does this mean ?
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/07 20:48:17
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I thought this was the case Paul, but after posting checked the preferences and discovered it wasn't. I have just realised that this changes when you open a project then check the preferences.
Man, talk about subtleties. I've never checked preferences without a project of some sort being open so I just had to try this out. And you're right. Opening Sonar, but not a project, Preferences shows the keys unbound. What does this mean ?
Generally that the preference is per project rather than global. Might have something to do with the save for next session option.
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/07 21:25:54
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tenfoot
Generally that the preference is per project rather than global. Might have something to do with the save for next session option.
Per project key bindings - what a strange idea. Just recognized that option for the first time, thanks.
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Re: Platinum Producer: Nudge will not bind to keys.
2016/03/07 23:45:40
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Generally that the preference is per project rather than global. Might have something to do with the save for next session option.
Per project key bindings - what a strange idea. Just recognized that option for the first time, thanks.
It is strange Paul. I have never de-selected the next session option myself.
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