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Questions / Advice needed on using Mackie DL32R mixer with SONAR Platinum ...

Hi all,
I need to record a band live and need around 12-14 Mic input channels plus a few line level channels, hopefully using SONAR Plat with a Surface Pro 3 (i7 proc 256 GB).  All I want to do is tracking work, i.e. only level setting and no further live processing, this work being done later in my proper studio.
I am looking at the Mackie DL32R but am uneasy about some of the "features".  If anyone has experience with the Mackie could I please ask you for your comments.
a) Do I REALLY need to go out and buy an iPad to work this ?  Will not just connecting up to the Surface Pro 3 thru' USB allow me to set levels in SONAR ?
b) It's not clear to me whether I can route each Mackie input to a dedicated track in SONAR. Of course I will have to install and use the Mackie PC driver.  Will this take care of the "dedicated" tracking ?
c) If anyone has a better solution than the Mackie, please could they speak up ?  Thanks.
 
Thanks for your help.
 
 

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    Re: Questions / Advice needed on using Mackie DL32R mixer with SONAR Platinum ... 2016/03/10 06:51:55 (permalink)
    I can't answer all of these since I do not use this device, but a quick visit to Mackie's website confirms my suspicions.  You can use a PC for 32 in 32 out.  See here:
    http://mackie.com/products/dl32r/http://mackie.com/products/dl32r/

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    Re: Questions / Advice needed on using Mackie DL32R mixer with SONAR Platinum ... 2016/03/10 11:05:42 (permalink)
    Thx Patm300e.  Yes, I did look at the website and docs before posting.  Unfortunately it's not clear on whether you need an iPad to set up the box even if connected to the PC.  It's mentioned as a "requirement" somewhere in the blurb and is indeed pictured in the Live Recording Setups.  I don't see why initial levels and setup cannot be controlled thru' the DAW, which is the case with my SSL i/face.  I'm not interested in any of the wireless/remote mixing capabilities.  Basically I'm not an Apple fan (I don't like the "lock-in" shenanigans).  I've sent Mackie an eMail asking for clarity.
    In the meantime, if anyone knows the answer, please holler ...

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    Re: Questions / Advice needed on using Mackie DL32R mixer with SONAR Platinum ... 2016/03/10 15:59:37 (permalink)
    So here is Mackie's official answer :-
    "An iPad with Master Fader is required to control the mixer. You cannot control anything on the DL32R without the iPad or the new DC16 control surface."
     
    So that blows it out for me ... looking at Tascam/Presonus/MOTU/Others.

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    Re: Questions / Advice needed on using Mackie DL32R mixer with SONAR Platinum ... 2016/03/10 17:26:24 (permalink)
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     I don't see why initial levels and setup cannot be controlled thru' the DAW, which is the case with my SSL i/face.  I'm not interested in any of the wireless/remote mixing capabilities.

    First of all sorry, it can happened I do not know / do not understand something. But I was so curious that your can control "SSL i/face" from the DAW that I have downloaded all possible docs for SSL Alphalink/MADI Xtreme FO System mentioned in your signature to understand what you mean.
     
    My personal conclusions in the area (I repeat again, all that is theoretical, I have never seen/touched these devices):
    * I have not seen any evidence there is a solutions which allows control (hardware) input levels or configure routing within Sonar. I must admit I have not checked either something in that direction exists in the Avid world, but that looks like not an option in general
    * for that to function, there must be specialized controls within the DAW and specialized protocol which sync these controls with the hardware:
    a) Sonar has no such controls
    b) I have not found even attempts to define a standard for such protocol
    * and so every producer is delivering digital mixers:
    a) combined with hardware control surface in one box
    b) separated from corresponding hardware control surface
    c) controllable by special software
    d) combinations of a,b and c
    * it looks like with the software solution (c) producers are leaning toward iPads, at most Apple PC. Windows only get mixer control for devices called "audio interfaces", f.e. RME. I have tried hard to understand the difference between a "digital mixer" and a "computer audio interface with hardware mixer". My current conclusion is there is no difference at all (I think before "digital mixers" was only type (a), while (b) and (c) was called "audio interfaces").
    * I have made an attempt to write A&H Qu control from Sonar since they (and only they?) have documented the protocol they use. I went up to the point when I theoretically could control the input level by Sonar fader. But then I have understood that is probably not extremely practical...
     
    For SSL, if I understand that right, the combination is digital mixer with analog converters. In other words, there is no input level controls.
     
    Please excuse me, I try to understand the topic myself. May be someone can explain where am I wrong.
     

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    Re: Questions / Advice needed on using Mackie DL32R mixer with SONAR Platinum ... 2016/03/15 06:54:36 (permalink)
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     I don't see why initial levels and setup cannot be controlled thru' the DAW, which is the case with my SSL i/face.  I'm not interested in any of the wireless/remote mixing capabilities.

    First of all sorry, it can happened I do not know / do not understand something. But I was so curious that your can control "SSL i/face" from the DAW that I have downloaded all possible docs for SSL Alphalink/MADI Xtreme FO System mentioned in your signature to understand what you mean.
     
    My personal conclusions in the area (I repeat again, all that is theoretical, I have never seen/touched these devices):
    * I have not seen any evidence there is a solutions which allows control (hardware) input levels or configure routing within Sonar. I must admit I have not checked either something in that direction exists in the Avid world, but that looks like not an option in general
    * for that to function, there must be specialized controls within the DAW and specialized protocol which sync these controls with the hardware:
    a) Sonar has no such controls
    b) I have not found even attempts to define a standard for such protocol
    * and so every producer is delivering digital mixers:
    a) combined with hardware control surface in one box
    b) separated from corresponding hardware control surface
    c) controllable by special software
    d) combinations of a,b and c
    * it looks like with the software solution (c) producers are leaning toward iPads, at most Apple PC. Windows only get mixer control for devices called "audio interfaces", f.e. RME. I have tried hard to understand the difference between a "digital mixer" and a "computer audio interface with hardware mixer". My current conclusion is there is no difference at all (I think before "digital mixers" was only type (a), while (b) and (c) was called "audio interfaces").
    * I have made an attempt to write A&H Qu control from Sonar since they (and only they?) have documented the protocol they use. I went up to the point when I theoretically could control the input level by Sonar fader. But then I have understood that is probably not extremely practical...
     
    Please excuse me, I try to understand the topic myself. May be someone can explain where am I wrong.
     




    Hi azslow3, many thx for your comments and apologies for the late reply ...
    Firstly, let me say that I regard your inputs very highly.  You are a very knowledgeable person and your contributions on this forum are excellent.
     
    Having said that, I must admit that re-reading my OP there is an error in my statement.  What I was supposedly trying to say was that the DL32R, unlike the SSL Alphalink, had no (hardware) controls on the box and therefore was fully relying on an iPad to set up initial configurations (apart from other functional stuff like remote mixing etc.).  I inadvertantly wrote "controlled by the DAW (SONAR)" and you quite rightly corrected me.  Apologies for the mistake.
     
    Secondly, I was thinking that a "default" setup on the Mackie DL32R would have been good enough for me to just connect up and use the unit as an audio interface, letting SONAR take care of sample rate/bit depth and channel routing and levels.  Of course I NOW know this "thinking" is wrong, and so the quest continues for an audio interface with enough XLR/Mic inputs (minimum 16) which will work well on the Windows platform.
    If you have any input/comments/suggestions I would be happy to hear them.
     

    For SSL, if I understand that right, the combination is digital mixer with analog converters. In other words, there is no input level controls.
     

    You are perfectly right !
     
    Thanks again.

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    Re: Questions / Advice needed on using Mackie DL32R mixer with SONAR Platinum ... 2016/03/15 17:00:14 (permalink)
    FYI, I recently did live sound and multitrack recording (for video) for an Elementary school musical performance with the Behringer Air XR18 which has built in WiFi - BHPhotoVideo
     
    You can run it from IOS, Android, or PC.  I had it connected by LAN to my laptop and recorded 12 individual tracks.  I did use an iPad 2 to mix the live sound but I do believe I could have done both from the laptop.  Sent main outs to the house and 2 aux channels to one of the two video cameras.  Worked great!
     
    Edit: it also has built in DSP and I believe the same Midas preamps found in the X32 board.
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    Re: Questions / Advice needed on using Mackie DL32R mixer with SONAR Platinum ... 2016/03/16 08:57:12 (permalink)
    fwrend
    FYI, I recently did live sound and multitrack recording (for video) for an Elementary school musical performance with the Behringer Air XR18 which has built in WiFi - BHPhotoVideo



    Thanks fwrend, I'll check this out - sounds interesting.

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    Re: Questions / Advice needed on using Mackie DL32R mixer with SONAR Platinum ... 2016/03/16 11:08:59 (permalink)
    No problem SONARtist.  Actually, I think I used USB and not LAN as stated (though it is capable).  I'm also not sure but it may be that you'd have to use WDM or WASAPI if using the laptop for both Sonar & the Behringer software simultaneously.  Also, while it worked great and the audio quality was excellent, it will take a few more times to get used to mixing on a touch screen as it was my first time to do so.  Best of luck!
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