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Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
I received a (valid) security email from Amazon.com which troubled me a bit (see below)......What really bothered me was the bold printed statements on the first paragraph. I replied to that email and hi-lighted that paragraph asking them specific questions on that (why are they monitoring, how do they know what passwords I've used at other sites etc....). More people snooping into my boring life......  "Hello,At Amazon we take your security and privacy very seriously. As part of our routine monitoring, we discovered a list of email address and password sets posted online. While the list was not Amazon-related, we know that many customers reuse their passwords on several websites. We believe your email address and password set was on that list. For your security, we have assigned a temporary password to your account.You will need to reset your password when you return to the Amazon.com site. To reset your password, click "Your Account" at the top of any page on Amazon.com. On the Sign In page, click the "Forgot your password?" link to reach the Amazon.com Password Assistance page. After you enter your email or mobile phone number, you will receive an email containing a personalized link. Click the link from the email and follow the directions provided. Your new password will be effective immediately. We recommend that you choose a password that you have never used with any website.Sincerely,Amazon.com"
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 10:43:34
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Hi,
I have a feeling my time getting anything at Amazon ... is at an end!
I would check the headers, but that as good a phishing email as I have ever seen!
Amazon and many other websites, for example, Musician's Friends has all their items also on sale at Amazon and eBay, share the information, but I always thought that it was based on the IP address from your browser, not the email address on the account ... because if it was, then Musician's Friend, and Amazon are abusing the information, because most times you visit you do not login .. it remembers you by IP, not login, if you did not do so ... thus, the information itself is being given some false information, that it doesn't do this or that, when it does! AND likely DID!
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2016/03/11 11:32:16
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☄ Helpfulby robert_e_bone 2016/03/11 20:55:42
One technique I've discovered to avoid all of these types of things is to be so broke that you can't buy anything. I'm not saying I'd recommend it, but it keeps me off all websites that sell stuff! 
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 11:35:55
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craigb
One technique I've discovered to avoid all of these types of things is to be so broke that you can't buy anything. I'm not saying I'd recommend it, but it keeps me off all websites that sell stuff!
That has never stopped me.
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 11:48:31
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bapu
craigb
One technique I've discovered to avoid all of these types of things is to be so broke that you can't buy anything. I'm not saying I'd recommend it, but it keeps me off all websites that sell stuff!
That has never stopped me.
That hasn't stopped me either.....I'm broke and Amazon's still sharing my info. Most of the sites I visit are all audio related and I don't even go into the shopping section (mostly the free stuff.....which of course I still have to register).
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 11:48:44
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craigb
One technique I've discovered to avoid all of these types of things is to be so broke that you can't buy anything. I'm not saying I'd recommend it, but it keeps me off all websites that sell stuff!
I'm probably done buying things anyhoodle ... so I'll make sure that the CC information is removed at Amazon and such ... but the card listed in there is at zero, and Columbia Credit Union is on guard, for anything coming through there, spoof'd or not. I keep the card at zero, so it's easier to spot. So far it's been fine ... but the ability to buy something in Europe is messed up ... I can not buy a book in Germany because the author is an idiot and does not know how to sell a book in Euros ... go figure!
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 11:52:33
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/03/11 12:17:55
Moshkito
I can not buy a book in Germany because the author is an idiot and does not know how to sell a book in Euros ... go figure!
Moral of the story: you shouldn't read books by idiot authors.....you might end up what you read? 
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 14:23:05
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/03/11 15:16:46
Amazon did not say that they found your password for another site in a cache of stolen passwords. they said they found your Amazon email+password there. Since they are not saying that the pair was stolen from Amazon, the assumption is that they checked the pair against passwords stolen from another site, found a match in their database for your Amazon account and concluded that you had used the same pair on the account for the website that was actually hacked. Since they correctly assumed that this would be too big a coincidence they concluded that you must have somewhat foolishly used the same password on at least one other site. Hackers could conclude the same and start using the stolen password on every other site on the internet even if they did not know you had an account there, and so your Amazon account could be accessed by a hacker. They wisely and generously changed your shared password, hopefully before the hackers got around to logging in to your Amazon account.
All Amazon had to know was:
Your Amazon account email and password
The fact that the same email and passwords were in a public list of compromised passwords
They did not need to know anything about any other web account you held.
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 14:58:09
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/03/11 15:17:04
Yeah, Mesher. Reads to me like Amazon was made aware of a list compiled and distributed by hackers that included your amazon email and PW so they changed your PW for your protection.
I could be mistaken on that.
It does seem like they did you a solid and if I wuz you I'd be scurryin' like a mofo to secure all my other accounts.
However... amazon (I think) and other similar sites do use "cookies" and the like to track what sites you visit to better personalize the crud they try to sell you.
I use NoScript in my browser which blocks and exposes tons of tracker scripts on various sites. Generally I only allow the scripts that are absolutely necessary to make a site work properly and when in doubt I google search ones I don't recognize. Most are trackers/adservers/etc.
Sneaky buggers.
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 15:15:43
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PS:
Do NOT click any links in any emails to change passwords and the like. Manually type the website address into your browser (or navigate to it in a way you can be sure you are not visiting a spoof site), manually log into the site and THEN change any info as needed.
I'm sure you know this but it's worth repeating.
In this case you can even call Amazon to verify what's up. They do have a phone number... although they do bury it as much as possible.
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 15:18:15
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Thanks guys for the insight. I just wasn't aware of how they got this info......I generally don't trust anything online and wasn't sure what Amazon was up to. Either way, I'll start updating my passwords on all the sites I normally visit and write them all down on my blog......I keed, I keed......
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 15:20:45
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Beepster
PS:
Do NOT click any links in any emails to change passwords and the like. Manually type the website address into your browser (or navigate to it in a way you can be sure you are not visiting a spoof site), manually log into the site and THEN change any info as needed.
I'm sure you know this but it's worth repeating.
In this case you can even call Amazon to verify what's up. They do have a phone number... although they do bury it as much as possible.
Absolutely.....got that part covered. Thanks Beeps!! I was just being lazy with changing passwords to all these sites.... 
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 15:23:50
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Mesh
Thanks guys for the insight. I just wasn't aware of how they got this info......I generally don't trust anything online and wasn't sure what Amazon was up to.
Either way, I'll start updating my passwords on all the sites I normally visit and write them all down on my blog......I keed, I keed......
Maybe do a Virus and Malware scan of the system first to do a sweep for any keylogging nonsense or other nasties. Malwarebytes is a good program to have for such things. HiJackThis is something to look into as well for real nasty bugs but it's very difficult to use properly because you need to understand its reports and how to use its cleaner without destroying your system. Cheers.
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 15:41:47
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It sounds like a bogus email to me.
Without getting into technical details, the fact that it doesn't contain links but directs you to go to the website doesn't make it absolutely safe or trustworthy.
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 15:54:55
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Someone in California hijacked my paypal account and started buying bitcoins on ebay. But he's BUSTED! They never get away with it, not sure why these folks persist. BTW those folks who blame a prison cartel as the reason so many people are in jail are bogus...there are alot of criminals in the world (mostly dumb). I agree soft drug laws need to be revisited, but other than that why not follow the law?
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 16:06:41
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drewfx1
It sounds like a bogus email to me.
Without getting into technical details, the fact that it doesn't contain links but directs you to go to the website doesn't make it absolutely safe or trustworthy.
Well, the only link given was to Amazon.com. I opened up Amazon in a separate browser and checked the messages in my account and the same email message was in there. That's when I replied to them asking those questions. It seems valid to me.
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 16:26:24
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Do:
Run Powershell
Then at the command prompt:
Resolve-DNSName amazon.com
What do you get? It should return IP's like these:
Name Type TTL Section IPAddress
---- ---- --- ------- ---------
amazon.com A 32 Answer 54.239.17.6
amazon.com A 32 Answer 54.239.26.128
amazon.com A 32 Answer 54.239.17.7
amazon.com A 32 Answer 54.239.25.200
amazon.com A 32 Answer 54.239.25.208
amazon.com A 32 Answer 54.239.25.192
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 16:28:49
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In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 17:51:05
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Why'd you put *they* in quotes? It's kind of interesting isn't it?
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 18:13:26
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eph221
Why'd you put *they* in quotes? It's kind of interesting isn't it?
Because he was quoting you. See the bolded part.
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 18:19:34
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Sometimes Occam's Razor doesn't apply. In this context I don't think it does. But who am I to judge? Slart and I will never meet I'm sure.This is *their* dirty little secret :computer networks offer ready points of access for disgruntled employees, spies, thieves, sociopaths, and bored teens. maybe I should use a euphemism for *criminals?*
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 18:52:44
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Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 19:25:22
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If "someone" is trying to accuse slarta of being a blackhat I would say to that "someone" to ease up.
Slarta has always been helpful and insightful IME.
If any hats are worn, at worst it would seem to be a grey one.
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/11 19:46:55
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More like tan, actually. 
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Re: Is Amazon now monitoring other sites we visit??
2016/03/12 11:42:51
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I was thinking about this and came to the following conclusion:
If this is legit then Amazon needs to be read the riot act for sending legitimate emails that scammers can mimic knowing that people have had some trust built that such emails are legitimate.
It's just a terrible practice to email people telling them to change their password. If they are really concerned about security then they should just lock the account and let the user discover it and rectify it whenever they try to log in.
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