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Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first day!
1) if your internet ever cuts out, It just dies in a fire, can't do a thing, even if you have your complete set of downloads.
2) "Install All" does not install all. It installs all of some small subsection, meaning you still have to baby sit installations for hours!
3) Even when "verbose install" is turned off, it'll not only throw little dialogs up in the center of the screen, where YOU are trying to do something else, like some work... it'll also every so often have a box where you must click "OK" for it to even continue. And of all the little boxes, those are the ones that don't force focus, but sit behind whatever software you're using. So "Commander" just sits there silently, while you think its taking care of business.
4) given this needlessly lengthy process, Its really bad, that it again waits for you to click proceed, before it goes through checking again and again and again if there's been any new updates after every single component installation.
Guys, you're not coming up with new updates on an hourly basis, so can we stop this nonsense?
5) I don't know if there's going to be a single Cakewalk Customer that is going to watch this entire process without trying to do something productive with their time. So we move the Cakewalk Commander window to one side of the screen, where we can see it but where it doesn't disturb our work. And what happens every time Commander finishes checking for updates? It automatically and annoyingly centers itself in the screen, so we have to move it out of the way again every time.
6) It doesn't think I own ZT3A 2, possibly because I bought that on Steam. Can you make it recognize our software no matter where it was bought, please?
How can the same company who makes the greatly streamlined Sonar UI produce an installer like this?
It doesn't even deserve the name "assistant", calling it "commander" is preposterous. It commands nothing, its just primitive and the opposite of practical too many details. Even the launcher/patcher of Star Citizen's early alpha beats it.
A one star Chinese hand-vacuum from Amazon with 2 minute battery life would be less annoying.
Calling any program like this "commander" is like a misleading mission statement. If it was called "Cakewalk Butler" then the programmers would have the right idea about how it should work in their minds from the start: an obsequious servant program aiming to please by doing its thing unobtrusively.
I'm sorry to pan your installer, but can you please just fix and streamline it before I pull all my hair out?
How about this for an incentive: If you fix it, I'll renew my subscription :P
I had to install all my Cakewalk stuff 3 times recently, because first my SSD died from one year of disuse while I was traveling.
After I installed everything, I foolhardily accepted Microsoft's offer to upgrade my system to Windows 10. Aside from annoyingly hiding many settings in the bowels of Windows, Windows 10 also broke my Sonar installation, so I installed it again.
Then I started to notice severe issues with Firefox and its extensions, that quit working under Windows 10. After spending about a week trying to clear up the issues, I found it to be impossible, and since I need both browser and add-ons in order to do my work, I had had little choice but to revert back to Windows 8.1. Surprise, this move required yet another new install of Sonar and all its adjuncts, not to mention all those huge XLN drumkits and keyboard things...
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
2016/03/16 20:08:12
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Some of it is due I think because CW wanted to have as much flexibility in how users can install Sonar as possible. Many DL the various parts and install them themselves. Command Center is not for everyone. For me for example it works fine. For others its too confining for them. CW had to balance various interests of its users against ease of use. I think they did a good job. Yet there is still room for improvement.
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
2016/03/16 22:35:16
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Many of the problems you're talking about have more to do with Windows, IMO.
Also... It's called Cakewalk Command Centre not Cakewalk Commander.... Though that might be a cool mascot
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
2016/03/16 22:46:26
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I agree. CCC is prehistoric. Man it kills me that it it continuly runs through all your programs after an update. I'd like to see it work similar to XLN's Audio Online Installer. Painless. That said I love Sonar!! 
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
2016/03/17 04:21:48
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If you are running the current version of CCC it only checks for updates once every 24 hours. At least it does for me.
The only real issue I have with the CCC is #1 on your list. My internet can be very flaky at times so I no longer use CCC to download the files. I download manually and place them in the CCC download directory, then run CCC for the install so it can check verify the file and activate things.
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
2016/03/17 09:22:57
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2016/04/02 11:46:32
I also think that the "Update All" button/link should actually install the entire update. If I'm reading those two words wrong then my apologies, but I do think I've read them correctly and understand their meaning.
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
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"Update All" means, to me, "update all". But that is not what happens in the CCC.
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
2016/03/17 11:28:53
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Tom Riggs
If you are running the current version of CCC it only checks for updates once every 24 hours. At least it does for me.
This is controlled by the "Min Update Interval (hrs)" on the Options tab of the C3 settings page.
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
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☄ Helpfulby Geo524 2016/03/31 22:09:18
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I agree. CCC is prehistoric. Man it kills me that it it continuly runs through all your programs after an update.
I don't use CCC much as I install manually, but I did notice when I tried it that changing the setting SCook mentions above (Min Update Interval) stops this from happening.
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
2016/03/17 13:00:19
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How about this for an incentive: If you fix it, I'll renew my subscription :P
Calling that incentive is preposterous.
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
2016/03/31 16:23:41
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Many of the problems you're talking about have more to do with Windows, IMO.
Also... It's called Cakewalk Command Centre not Cakewalk Commander.... Though that might be a cool mascot
Look, its not Windows that is the problem. You can actually program any behavior you want in an application for Windows. There's absolutely nothing Microsoft prevents you from doing as a programmer. Its just up to your vision and (hired) skill to implement it. Look at XLN's online installer - its pretty much flawless as far as a glorified installer / license checker goes. For all I care, Cakewalk could just duplicate the functionality. And the cool thing is, they can do that without removing the currently present options in Cakewalk Command Center. So everybody who likes what they already have can go right on. But someone who wants to set and forget an installation, after going through and choosing all they want installed or updated ONCE, would finally also be able to do that instead. Lastly, failing on loss of internet connection, even if your files are local and need not be downloaded is just bad. And internet seems to be getting more flaky, even in places where I remember it being rock solid... Its not only the Philippines or Peru where you get cut off several times per hour anymore...
post edited by n13L5 - 2016/03/31 16:46:27
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
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☄ Helpfulby n13L5 2016/04/02 05:30:12
I tend to agree that CCC has lots of room for improvement. Queuing up downloads and supporting intelligent transfers with download restarts that pick up where they left off would go a long way to make CCC more usable. Some of the other issues OP identifies are less disconcerting for me but I can see his points. OP, consider posting your suggestions as feature requests. I'd be happy to support them.
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☄ Helpfulby Geo524 2016/04/02 08:29:07
John
Some of it is due I think because CW wanted to have as much flexibility in how users can install Sonar as possible. Many DL the various parts and install them themselves. Command Center is not for everyone. For me for example it works fine. For others its too confining for them. CW had to balance various interests of its users against ease of use. I think they did a good job. Yet there is still room for improvement.
Please look at XLN's online installer - it sacrifices absolutely no flexibility, yet it manages to let you choose everything you want done ONCE - at the start - and then it will go through the whole heap unfailingly, without you EVER having to click anything further. So - the important part - you can leave the computer, go to lunch, go to sleep, go to the lake, anything rather than watching for dialogues popping up that need the OK button clicked. . This really is akin to how it took Microsoft more than a decade to duplicate the simple and excellent functionality of DOS' "xcopy" command in Windows. In windows you were ceaselessly confronted with dialog boxes, upon which the entire process would be halted until someone showed up to click on it. I guess Microsoft was assuming for a long time, that people stay at the computer to watch progress bars(!) Now, finally, if you do a large copy, Windows will keep copying and save any issues for last, after everything that *could be copied* got copied, before Windows prompts for the issues list "hey, this file path is too long, what do you want me to do with it?" or "can't locate file, skip? try again?" Once you click through the issues, you find all the rest was completed. Now that's "proper" and "intelligent", without requiring Steve Hawking to think of it.
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
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If you are running the current version of CCC it only checks for updates once every 24 hours. At least it does for me.
The only real issue I have with the CCC is #1 on your list. My internet can be very flaky at times so I no longer use CCC to download the files. I download manually and place them in the CCC download directory, then run CCC for the install so it can check verify the file and activate things.
Wait , wait... are you saying that the CCC runs through all CW packages and programs everyday looking for updates? Mine never runs unless I open it... Is there something I'm missing... peace!
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
2016/03/31 21:56:12
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Geo524
I agree. CCC is prehistoric. Man it kills me that it it continuly runs through all your programs after an update.
I don't use CCC much as I install manually, but I did notice when I tried it that changing the setting SCook mentions above (Min Update Interval) stops this from happening.
Thanks Bruce. That would be great.
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
2016/03/31 22:40:45
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Tom Riggs
If you are running the current version of CCC it only checks for updates once every 24 hours. At least it does for me.
The only real issue I have with the CCC is #1 on your list. My internet can be very flaky at times so I no longer use CCC to download the files. I download manually and place them in the CCC download directory, then run CCC for the install so it can check verify the file and activate things.
Wait , wait... are you saying that the CCC runs through all CW packages and programs everyday looking for updates? Mine never runs unless I open it... Is there something I'm missing...
peace!
The poster was referring to the default refresh time if you leave CCC on continuously. It's in the settings menu. You can change it to your own value. What it means is that if you ran the CCC 12 hrs earlier it would not rescan the Cake site for updates unless you click the little rescan button. I never use this. I wait until folks are talking about an update and then I launch the CCC and trigger a scan manually.
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
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I'd also love it to be able to tell you have certain software already installed (Rapture, D-Pro, Channel plug ins etc) most of us had these installed from previous versions, also Melodyne, i have editor so dont need essential, i hate seeing the red dots ;)
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
2016/04/01 04:01:25
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If you don't like the red indicators then you can simply hide that program from being shown in the CCC
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
2016/04/01 09:25:03
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Are we talking about the same XLN installer which doesn't let you choose where to install the sample library and makes you move it later as an extra step? At least it did the last time I used it - if so, hardly a model installer.
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
2016/04/01 16:59:04
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Are we talking about the same XLN installer which doesn't let you choose where to install the sample library and makes you move it later as an extra step? At least it did the last time I used it - if so, hardly a model installer.
No, that honor belongs to the NI Service Center. Right? 
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
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NI is pretty good I think.
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
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I tend to agree that CCC has lots of room for improvement. Queuing up downloads and supporting intelligent transfers with download restarts that pick up where they left off would go a long way to make CCC more usable. Some of the other issues OP identifies are less disconcerting for me but I can see his points. OP, consider posting your suggestions as feature requests. I'd be happy to support them.
Ohh yes, resuming downloads is indeed more important than the stuff I went on complaining about. I already forgot about that, as I'm currently in a location with stable, fast internet :) And thanks for the suggestion - I travel too much to really keep track of this forum although I'd like to, cause Cakewalk means a lot to me :) Is there a specific place for feature requests? Or do you just make a post called "CCC feature requests"...?
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
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☄ Helpfulby n13L5 2016/04/02 05:29:40
post feature requests here http://forum.cakewalk.com/Features-Ideas-f76.aspxBut you should not create a duplicate of a previous request and there have been a couple regarding the Command Ccenter. Instead append comments to an existing request and vote.
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
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Tom Riggs
If you are running the current version of CCC it only checks for updates once every 24 hours. At least it does for me.
The only real issue I have with the CCC is #1 on your list. My internet can be very flaky at times so I no longer use CCC to download the files. I download manually and place them in the CCC download directory, then run CCC for the install so it can check verify the file and activate things.
Wait , wait... are you saying that the CCC runs through all CW packages and programs everyday looking for updates? Mine never runs unless I open it... Is there something I'm missing...
peace!
I think we're talking about different things with the update checks. I'm actually unfamiliar with the issue you are mentioning. My issue with and around update checks is this: 1) CCC forces you to do multiple, partial installs manually, rather than being able to select all you want at the start and then just doing it. So after each little install, it sits there with a line on the bottom of the window saying "click here to continue" or some such wording, leading to further problems: 2) The installer just sits there. Till you see it or get back to the computer, no progress! If you went to sleep, hoping it would finish the installation, you'll find it sitting there at the end of step 1 of 12! 3) when you click it - you get to wait till it checks for updates EVERY TIME. - this is NOT eliminated by the update check time period setting, as if Cakewalk was pushing out updates every 15 minutes... 4) you have to go through this process 10+ times before everything is finally installed! - Its a degradation of the user experience compared to the old DVD installer in a number of ways. Admittedly, the DVD couldn't fetch updates, but at least it could finish the job on its own. 5) as a further annoyance, every little progress bar box - and there are dozens of them - steals focus from whatever application you're using. If you're typing in Excel or in the browser, whatever you're typing is lost in the ether and sometimes it activates the wrong button on those dialogs that have buttons, leading to another dialog box asking "Are you're sure you want to abort installation?"...! "No, I don't want to abort installation, I was typing a letter and you, my ****ed little software minion, should put up a Windows notification if you need something, instead of stealing focus!"
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bapu I play bass because I can't dance. I don't see how one can play bass without being able to dance first... :D
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scook
post feature requests here http://forum.cakewalk.com/Features-Ideas-f76.aspx
But you should not create a duplicate of a previous request and there have been a couple regarding the Command Ccenter. Instead append comments to an existing request and vote.
Thank you much. I will go find some place to append there...
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
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bapu I play bass because I can't dance.
I don't see how one can play bass without being able to dance first... :D
Funny, I see it the other way around!
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Look at XLN's online installer - its pretty much flawless as far as a glorified installer / license checker goes.
I couldn't agree more.
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
2016/04/02 08:48:15
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bapu I play bass because I can't dance.
I don't see how one can play bass without being able to dance first... :D
Funny, I see it the other way around! Sure you can play bass, even if you're in a wheelchair, but the dance part is about having rhythm going through your whole body. You can't make up a good groove in your fingers alone. Maybe classical music doesn't rely on it so much, its a whole different way of playing. Any drummer's body holds the frequency of the rhythm - visibly - while legs and arms just dish out rhythm and counter rhythm from there. You couldn't even play counter rhythm unless you held the main rhythm in your body. The mind is good for syncopating and arpeggiating, but it can't compete with the body for keeping the main groove.
Favorite toys: Sonar Platinum, Rapture Pro, D-Pro, Melodyne, Brian Hardgroove Collection, Z3TA+2, Mutant Revolution.
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Re: Sonar is great, but Cakewalk Commander is still rudimentary and inept as on the first
2016/04/02 11:36:46
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Pfft....... If I had an Alembic, I wouldn't even want to dance 
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