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2016/03/21 09:52:38 (permalink)

Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide?

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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/21 10:51:33 (permalink)
BBC quoted his partner saying he was 'tormented with worry' about not being able to play well due to the nerve damage in his right hand, something you can see in his playing in the vid you posted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35806414
 
http://mec.lacounty.gov/wps/portal/mec/main/home/caseinformation/casedetail?CaseNum=2016-01986

Unfortunately in my experience people who have committed suicide always appeared cheerful and up-beat before doing the deed; perhaps they'd made the decision and that gave them a release of some sort.

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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/21 13:29:24 (permalink)
Wow, I just knew he died. I had no idea he killed himself, how sad.
 
RIP Keith.
Lets not have anymore of this. At least none here, ok?
 
 

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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/21 13:51:16 (permalink)
The BBC article that ericyeoman linked to stated that KE was also suffering depression from being diagnosed with heart disease, as well as alcohol use.  All in all, a bad combination.
 
But, to answer your question, Bitflipper, no he doesn't look like he's on the verge of suicide.  Very sad.

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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/21 15:28:10 (permalink)
ericyeoman
Unfortunately in my experience people who have committed suicide always appeared cheerful and up-beat before doing the deed; perhaps they'd made the decision and that gave them a release of some sort.



This ^^^^
 
I've seen it personally a couple of times, very hard to detect that there's a serious issue going on.  
 
Actually, there's a scale of emotions that's divided into positive (ranging from courage to peace) and negative (ranging from apathy to pride).  What really trips up people is when someone goes from being very fearful or depressed down to apathy.  Most people see this as a big improvement when, in actuality, the person has simply given up.  Then they're all surprised when they commit suicide.  Getting them angry is really an improvement that moves them away from apathy.

 
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/21 17:39:23 (permalink)
Craig, you sound depressed.  Are you ok?
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/21 17:42:48 (permalink)
I used to be pressed, but now I'm just wrinkled.

 
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/21 20:15:45 (permalink)
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Getting them angry is really an improvement that moves them away from apathy.




hmm... maybe that's why my pain doc seemed to go waaaaaay out of her way to anger me last visit.
 
It really did not make me feel better about anything. Quite the opposite.
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/21 20:24:40 (permalink)
Not sure about that, but my point is that they can't get angry unless they care about something and that's merely a step in the right direction - certainly not a "cure" in itself.  They need professional help.

 
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/21 20:34:02 (permalink)
Well... her actions after doing so indicate she was up to something. Considering how horrendous things actually are in Beepsterland there is of course cause for concern.
 
I'd just prefer if someone is gonna get all psychomological on my ass they do it up front... but the system is very strained up here for us plebes so I guess brute force methods may be the only way to really get things done.
 
Meh... things will get better. At least that lie/platitude I tell myself keeps dumb things from happening.
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/21 20:42:43 (permalink)
I'm using that line too, though not for the same reasons I'm sure!
 
A guy in another forum has the following for his signature which sounds about right:
 
"The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable!"

 
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/21 20:55:15 (permalink)
Really despite all my vain delusions that I still have something important to do on this planet the number one reason why I cannot do the unthinkable is that my mother is still alive (thankfully and hopefully for a long long time to come).
 
She has been through FAR too much pain and loss. I could never do that to her.
 
Best to ya craiggo...
 
Things truly can get better.
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/21 21:15:44 (permalink)
I've been feeling pretty apathetic lately. Should I be concerned?
 
Oh, who cares?


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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/21 21:23:35 (permalink)
Scientists have created a cure for apathy, but nobody cared...

 
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/22 12:46:31 (permalink)
Hi y'all!
 
Q: What's the difference between ignorance and apathy? 
A: I don't know and I don't care!
 
As a chronic-pain sufferer, the more 'dangerous' time for me is when I lost/lose interest in anything, find nothing I have/do merits any value or is even mildly enthusiasm-triggering. My loosening the dependence on prescription painkillers has helped tremendously, despite the pain being what it is at times: life/time sucking and brutal. 
 
Keith E. and so many others dealt with internal (or often, as we age, external) pain that cuts into one's sense of self. "I was this, which was cool, but now I'm that, which is pathetic." That's where depression hits the luminaries - the 'stars' - out there, I think. 
 
We must all be careful to not base our lives on the things that we think matter most (or have allowed ourselves to believe for years). There are so many success stories of people without limbs or who've lost their ability to talk or play an instrument but DO NOT GIVE UP and, in fact, excel despite their apparent restrictions. People who allow themselves to be loved for WHO they are in the here and now and not what they've been known for.  
 
These two guys come to mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGFDWTC8B8g (Jason Becker)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOzsjEmjjHs (Nick Vujicic)
 
Yes, I have felt like I wanted to die when in extreme pain, but then I force my darkened mind to remember that it (pain) comes and goes and I will have another day to get some things done (or not ... maybe just relax and smell the coffee).  HOC ETIAM TRANSIBIT: This too shall pass
 
Any similar stories out there to share? 
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/22 13:06:51 (permalink)
Nice post!

 
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/23 10:35:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Flagrant Regard 2016/03/24 01:19:08
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Hi y'all!
 
Q: What's the difference between ignorance and apathy? 
A: I don't know and I don't care!
 
As a chronic-pain sufferer, the more 'dangerous' time for me is when I lost/lose interest in anything, find nothing I have/do merits any value or is even mildly enthusiasm-triggering. My loosening the dependence on prescription painkillers has helped tremendously, despite the pain being what it is at times: life/time sucking and brutal. 
 
Keith E. and so many others dealt with internal (or often, as we age, external) pain that cuts into one's sense of self. "I was this, which was cool, but now I'm that, which is pathetic." That's where depression hits the luminaries - the 'stars' - out there, I think. 
 
We must all be careful to not base our lives on the things that we think matter most (or have allowed ourselves to believe for years). There are so many success stories of people without limbs or who've lost their ability to talk or play an instrument but DO NOT GIVE UP and, in fact, excel despite their apparent restrictions. People who allow themselves to be loved for WHO they are in the here and now and not what they've been known for.  
 
These two guys come to mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGFDWTC8B8g (Jason Becker)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOzsjEmjjHs (Nick Vujicic)
 
Yes, I have felt like I wanted to die when in extreme pain, but then I force my darkened mind to remember that it (pain) comes and goes and I will have another day to get some things done (or not ... maybe just relax and smell the coffee).  HOC ETIAM TRANSIBIT: This too shall pass
 
Any similar stories out there to share? 
Martin D.


I'm glad you were able to find a way to live with it and lose the meds.
What was likely going on was a serious drop in testosterone levels, opiates will do that over time. If you get to the point where you have to go back to them remember this and don't despair. Try to get testosterone replacement therapy if your road takes you there again. The Low T will do exactly that, make you lose interest in any and every thing. Take your energy and even cause your muscles to weaken... but there is a answer if you have to go there again and I sincerely hope not. I hope you take this in the spirit I intend, not as discouragement for I admire your resolve but as comfort if things become unbearable and you remember the listlessness and despair. I wish you well.
 
Peace.
 
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/23 11:40:44 (permalink)
At least we're not the walking dead (yet!)
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/23 12:29:27 (permalink)
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At least we're not the walking dead (yet!)




But are we really living? 

 
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/23 22:32:36 (permalink)
This is the most poignant thread I have read in a very long time. You all are wonderful people that see things with great empathy. I have learned a great deal from the postings in this thread. It is quite an eye opener that such caring and thoughtfulness is so abundant here. I wish I could add some profound wisdom that will set all at ease and maybe lessen the loss we feel but you all have done that already. 
 
Please stay safe and be well everyone of you. 

Best
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/24 00:34:44 (permalink)
I have depression.  I refuse to suffer from it, though at times it has tested me.  I asked my shrink what I could do differently to "fix" it and he said "nothing".  It's a brain chemical thing and the best I could do was supplement the wayward chemicals.  For the most part it's worked.  But there are times when the clouds roll in, and a poorly timed "perfect storm" could really knock me out.  I have to remind myself that this is just a thing.  They say if you know the name of your demon it loses power over you.  But sometimes that dark side feels really compelling.  It seems that artists of all flavors tend to stare into the void.  I wonder if this is the price we pay for creativity?
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/24 01:07:24 (permalink)
 

I'm glad you were able to find a way to live with it and lose the meds.
What was likely going on was a serious drop in testosterone levels, opiates will do that over time. If you get to the point where you have to go back to them remember this and don't despair. Try to get testosterone replacement therapy if your road takes you there again. The Low T will do exactly that, make you lose interest in any and every thing. Take your energy and even cause your muscles to weaken... but there is a answer if you have to go there again and I sincerely hope not. I hope you take this in the spirit I intend, not as discouragement for I admire your resolve but as comfort if things become unbearable and you remember the listlessness and despair. I wish you well.
 
Peace.
 
Julien




 
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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/24 10:36:23 (permalink)
It is impossible to fully appreciate how chronic pain changes one's life until you've experienced it first hand.
 
I have. And even though I never considered suicide myself, I understand why someone might. It's frickin' depressing to suffer unrelenting pain and face the possibility that this is now your life, forever. Opiates are a terrible solution, but I gobbled them like M&Ms out of desperation because there was nothing else.
 
I have to imagine that's true for psychological pain, too.


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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/24 10:40:50 (permalink)
Hi,
 
It's certainly sad that someone with the kind of talent he had, would lose it like that and just simply not be honest with his fans, and others. It's not like there weren't blind composers that had folks put things down for them (Delius a good example) and still be productive for a period of time.
 
All in all, he is not the first or the last to pull the trigger or the plug ... and while sad, I think that we should concentrate on their good side ... the music they gave us ... some of these people could not live thinking that they were no longer "productive" .... which is sad in many ways.

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Re: Does this look like a guy on the verge of suicide? 2016/03/24 14:52:05 (permalink)
Proof that life isn't fair:  Keith Emerson and Bradley Delp commit suicide, but Justing Beiber and Kanye West are still alive... 

 
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