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Flat top Limiter Wave Issue
I did my first guitar recording using Cascade Fathead II and SM57. Session was great once I listen to play back I heard a mild distortion at times. Spoke to a Master Engineer and he had me looked at the wave files. He said look for flat top waves and sure enough where the distortion was the waves were flat on top. I was confused because my levels were no where near clipping, he mentioned gain stagging and it made since. There was a limiting setting on my interface that I did not know what it did now I do. Does Sonar have a declipper tool or does any know how I can save my recoding? Rerecording is not an option
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John
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Re: Flat top Limiter Wave Issue
2016/04/01 04:42:05
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Did you adjust the fader on the track you recorded?
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Re: Flat top Limiter Wave Issue
2016/04/01 08:33:22
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I don't know of anyway to fully recover a wave file that is distorted. However, if it is only mildly clipped, you could probably try using an "audio declipper" to salvage what you can.
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Re: Flat top Limiter Wave Issue
2016/04/01 11:22:46
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John
Did you adjust the fader on the track you recorded?
No because the audio signal was well below clipping, it is my fault now that I know better, I have a video clip from my phone just now sure how to add it in the forum
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Re: Flat top Limiter Wave Issue
2016/04/01 13:43:04
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Oh, and Sonar does not have a declipper. There are several I saw in Google search, some were free. I'd make a copy of the WAV file before trying any of them though...
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Dan
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Re: Flat top Limiter Wave Issue
2016/04/01 13:47:37
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John
Did you adjust the fader on the track you recorded?
No because the audio signal was well below clipping, it is my fault now that I know better, I have a video clip from my phone just now sure how to add it in the forum
I may not have been clear. While you were recording did you adjust the fader to set the level? The reason I ask is if you did nothing and recorded the signal and it was below clipping there is no reason for it to clip.
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Re: Flat top Limiter Wave Issue
2016/04/01 14:16:53
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John
Did you adjust the fader on the track you recorded?
No because the audio signal was well below clipping, it is my fault now that I know better, I have a video clip from my phone just now sure how to add it in the forum
I may not have been clear. While you were recording did you adjust the fader to set the level? The reason I ask is if you did nothing and recorded the signal and it was below clipping there is no reason for it to clip.
You are correct No adjustments with fader during recording BUT I had a limiter setting on during the recording session from my interface software I was not aware of. So when the audio hit the limiter threshold it flat top the signal.
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Re: Flat top Limiter Wave Issue
2016/04/01 14:36:39
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John
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John
Did you adjust the fader on the track you recorded?
No because the audio signal was well below clipping, it is my fault now that I know better, I have a video clip from my phone just now sure how to add it in the forum
I may not have been clear. While you were recording did you adjust the fader to set the level? The reason I ask is if you did nothing and recorded the signal and it was below clipping there is no reason for it to clip.
You are correct No adjustments with fader during recording BUT I had a limiter setting on during the recording session from my interface software I was not aware of. So when the audio hit the limiter threshold it flat top the signal.
I'm sorry to hear that. I don't think there is a good way to fix this. You could try a declipper but I wouldn't hold out much hope. If you do want to show a picture of it all you need do is use a hosting website like photobucket and use the forum software to post it here. If you need instruction on this I can help with that.
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Re: Flat top Limiter Wave Issue
2016/04/02 07:41:52
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Here a clip from my cell phone 
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Re: Flat top Limiter Wave Issue
2016/04/02 09:06:26
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That image is too small for my eyes but it does look like it may be too flat for a declipper to do any good. In the future you may want to use confidence recording. What this does is show the waveform as it is being recorded. You toggle it on on the track you are recording to.
It might help in preventing this sort of thing.
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Re: Flat top Limiter Wave Issue
2016/04/02 09:57:47
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Hello, you are recording to hot.. the distortion sound is clipping.. you need to turn down your guitar. :)
even your interface (preamp) may be to hot.. I know with my Tascam I have to go into a mixer and trim things down then run into the interface.
Edit, I keep thinking of stuff. :)
even if you are not clipping in the DAW you can still clip into the interface.
Peace!
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Re: Flat top Limiter Wave Issue
2016/04/02 10:14:27
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you where not to clear on what you did..
Acoustic guitar, electric guitar with an amp? What interface are you using?
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Re: Flat top Limiter Wave Issue
2016/04/02 12:31:00
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On my cell here so audio is not clear, but I am not sure if that is recoverable (possibly if buried in a mix but unlikely if exposed). Re-tracking would be the ideal solution.
When tracking, the input gain on your interface is prime focus. Just doing quick takes can verify responses. Another aspect is play variation (esp. with no compressor involved) where you practice light, but may play harder - a quick check of this is play a 6-string chord for "max volume" (I use G most often). Be sure that does not clip, then track.
Once familiar with setups you can get "in the ballpark" quickly, so taking the time to analyze your setup will aid you tenfold in the long run.
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Re: Flat top Limiter Wave Issue
2016/04/02 12:57:32
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The best declipper I know of is iZotope RX5 advanced. Let me know if you want me to look at this wave for you.
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Re: Flat top Limiter Wave Issue
2016/04/02 15:06:42
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if you want I could clean it up for you pm me
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