robert_e_bone
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East West Play software sample playback too short
Hi - I just signed up for the Composer Cloud from East West, and would like to know if there is a way to be able to keep solo violin sounds (like from Gypsy) sustained for longer than it currently allows - the sounds retrigger after a few seconds, very noticeably, and then simply stop after a couple more seconds.
I picked up Composer Cloud to primarily use the solo violin sounds from Gypsy and from Solo Violin, but both seem to exhibit the same sort of termination of playback much too soon for some of the note lengths I want to use them to create.
Any workarounds for this?
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/02 10:54:09
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Not currently except for rendering to audio and then stretching the audio for each note you wish to have sustain longer. The solo instruments are meant to give you what a real player could do. Infinite sustain is not something a live player can do without changing bow direction.
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/02 12:19:37
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Pfft, I got your infinite sustain! 
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/02 12:47:48
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He didn't say infinitely! :D
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/02 13:08:58
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If there is a way for me to continue a note's sustain through a bowing change of direction, I am all ears, as what I am recreating is indeed a long sustained note from an actual violin player.
It's just that the length of sustain I need is longer than what appears to be available through simply holding a note down for the Gypsy solo violin sample playback, and the same for another of their violin sounds - Hollywood Solo Violin.
I am new to East West, and this is why I am asking here, how to be able to sustain a violin note for longer than what is provided for by simply holding down a key on my midi controller, whether it be from some settings change, or from some combination of loading multiple instruments, or from some key switch or other parameter to effect such a sustained note.
Thanks,
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/02 16:41:12
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are there any keyswitches on the patch your using which gives a longer sustain?
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/02 19:05:29
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I'm a complete noob with EW Play, and because of my eyesight, I am having great difficulty seeing text displayed on the Play UI, so I am seeing and learning very slowly. I will certainly check that, as well as figure out what folks do when they add multiple instruments to the same instance - is THAT part of getting the articulations needed?
I just saw that lots of folks had reported seeing that same issue with sample playback getting cut off too short, so I thought I would fire off a quick post about it.
I did download all the documentation, and will be working through it to try to get my skill level up to Kontakt-comparable levels. (I have had Kontakt for many years now).
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/02 19:19:28
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A lot of the sample library companies have cut back on adding a longer sustain on violin notes because they are opting for realism vs something you can't really do with a real violin. This is one of my biggest complaints about Bohemian because those long notes I want to do I can't because it reaches the end of the bow and requires a rebow. Fine for most things but a really slow song, I want to drag it out and it won't let me.
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/02 19:22:08
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That's fine - like having a range of notes that only a real violin can play, but in my case I am replicating what was done WITH a real violin, so I need to figure out out to get the job done.
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/02 19:36:12
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In the main menu. current instrument under there should be an advanced menu.. Try changing/increasing the voice limit
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/02 20:42:32
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Increasing the voice limit should not affect what the OP is talking about. I just checked Gypsy, Solo Violin (original one) and the Symphonic Orchestra Solo Violin and all of them have samples that stop. I think the only way you can get what you are looking for is to perhaps use too instances of the same violin. You could have one play the note first, use some CC7 or CC11 magic to go from the note sounding on the first to a fade for the second sustain on the other violin (which is played later than the first). It may be tricky to get right but I can't think of another way to do it.
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/03 11:57:06
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Thanks for weighing, all. :)
It appears to be just the way it is, in terms of how they chose to chop off the samples.
The available voices is 512, and I have 32 GB of memory in the computer, so there is close to 28 GB of memory available to Play.
The Play documentation talks about setting/changing a parameter under the Streaming tab in the settings, for the Audio Engine - with a range of 1-5 and a default setting of 2. I see this NOWHERE outside of the documentation - I can't find that parameter anywhere in the user interface, so it appears to me to be some documentation artifact, and not something that exists anymore.
I have read nearly 50 pages of documentation in the past couple of hours, trying to educate myself on the Play application, and have to explore the available articulations and my ability to use those to control playback, and hopefully I'll work through how to employ a sustained sound beyond the sample cutoff point, where the additional triggered extension note doesn't really have an attack, so that it blends into a bow direction change for additional sustain.
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/03 13:53:42
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☼ Best Answerby robert_e_bone 2016/04/03 14:09:06
Sure enough - there are a number of articulations for the Gypsy Solo Violin, and one of them causes a trigger alteration between bowing directions with the note simply held. There is a pretty noticeable audible sound when that happens, which I will play around with to figure out how to minimize.
So, this would be solved, from my perspective, as being that articulations allow for additional sustained sound.
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/03 13:56:10
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☄ Helpfulby Shambler 2016/04/04 17:12:42
Don't worry, it'll be a feature in Play Pro *snicker*
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/03 14:40:40
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Interesting what you learn from these threads, I had not really thought about bow changes before, coming from a synth background  I have just had a look my Kirk Hunter Spotlight Stings. The legato violin articulations have a very long sustain, I gave up waiting for them to stop. Some of the other articulation, such as marcato have a bow change space parameter where the bow change becomes more noticable as it increased.
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/04 10:21:05
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The sample length is what it is. I believe that some of the samples in Spotlight Strings are looped.
I have the new Solo Violin from EW, but haven't yet done much with it. Maybe it has a looped sample patch...
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Re: East West Play software sample playback too short
2016/04/04 12:05:37
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I seem to recall that the one of the solo violins in EW Goliath has pretty long sustains. They are in the orchestral folder, if I remember correctly. Older samples, of course, but they don't sound half bad.
I'm at work so I can't check my own copy of Goliath, but if you happen to have that library installed, it might be worth checking it out.
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