How can I reproduce the Theremin sound on the Mopho x4?

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2016/04/15 15:52:15 (permalink)

How can I reproduce the Theremin sound on the Mopho x4?

Shalom everyone,
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I had a question I got a MoPho x4 around December last year and now I'm trying to create a theremin sound.
Last night I set oscillator 1 to a square wave and pulse width set at 65. I set the glide around 123 think which gave close to a theremin sound and set the filter Frequency to 90 and Resonance to 63 which sounded close to pure sine wave. But was wondering if can be better and if anyone had some suggestions?
 
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    marcus3
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    Re: How can I reproduce the Theremin sound on the Mopho x4? 2016/04/15 18:23:39 (permalink)
    There is a Theremin sound on the MoPho but its to much Vibrato and I can't seem to turn it off. I want to control the vibrato with the mod wheel.
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    Re: How can I reproduce the Theremin sound on the Mopho x4? 2016/04/15 23:11:32 (permalink)
    Sound on Sound's website seems to be down currently, but I used this article to create a pretty convincing theremin sound in Z3ta +2. You should be able to glean enough info from the article to create it on your device. I think you'd be better off starting with a sine wave, instead of a square wave. 
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    Re: How can I reproduce the Theremin sound on the Mopho x4? 2016/04/16 00:22:29 (permalink)
    Theremins have come up more than once. If you wouldn't mind sharing the preset you made for Z3TA+2, I am sure many people would appreciate having that.

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    Re: How can I reproduce the Theremin sound on the Mopho x4? 2016/04/16 21:21:48 (permalink)
    There is no sine waveform on the MoPHo x4, The waveform it dose have Saw tooth, Triangle, Saw-Triangle, Square.
    I read the article a couple of times and try to follow it but little hard with no sine waveform.
    I did find a preset on Arturia Micro brute http://severed.garden/synths/microbrute-patches-synths/theremin-sound-with-microbrute/ it work a little with the MoPHO x4.
     
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    Re: How can I reproduce the Theremin sound on the Mopho x4? 2016/04/17 02:00:43 (permalink)
    mettelus
    Theremins have come up more than once. If you wouldn't mind sharing the preset you made for Z3TA+2, I am sure many people would appreciate having that.



    http://imgur.com/a/K5zQN
     
    Since you can't mess with the sine wave on Z3ta+2, I used a sine wave from Rapture Pro and loaded it in the user wave forms. This is pretty close to sounding like a theremin, though the player has no control over volume while playing. If you have any suggestions, I'm all ears. Also, for bigger jumps, the player has to kind of, "play the pitch wheel," to get the oo ee sounds of a theremin. 
     
     
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    Re: How can I reproduce the Theremin sound on the Mopho x4? 2016/04/17 10:56:52 (permalink)
    The Mopho's filter gives a pretty good "fake" sine wave when self-resonating. Switching off the oscillators and using the filter as the sound generator gets somewhere in the right direction. If necessary add just enough oscillator (or noise) to trigger the filter into resonance with the filter frequency being keyboard controlled.

    Convincingly emulating a theremin using a conventional synth isn't entirely straightforward. There are some very distinctive things about the theremin besides its wave forms. In particular the way the start of notes are nearly always not quite spot on pitch even when the instrument is played by an expert, and how pitch and volume interact seamlessly and smoothly.

    The smoothness means that any MIDI controlled synth isn't easily going to get there because of MIDI stepping - despite being analogue, the Mopho is entirely MIDI controlled.

    Carefully using slide and portamento helps, as does using free-running LFOs set to sine/triangle waves to very slightly and slowly modulate pitch and volume to introduce a hint of random behaviour, along with another pair of LFOs used to generate deliberate vibrato and tremolo.

    I'd suggest setting the filter and VCA envelops to an "organ" kind of setting, zero or near zero attack, delay and release. Maybe use the Mopho's third envelope to slowly introduce vibrato/tremolo rather than using only the mod wheel.

    The more controllers you have available, the better and fortunately the Mopho has lots of modulation possibilities. Don't be afraid to record the basic track as MIDI only then go back over it recording further controller movements into the MIDI before finally recording the synths audio output.

    The little Korg Monotron can produce pretty convincing thereminish kind of sounds, especially with some added delay and chorusing. The ribbon controller is a bit fiddly, but it can swoop around very nicely. Particularly good at Tim Blake (Gong/ Hawkwind) style swoops and burbles. A more expensive approach is to use a synth like the Dark Energy, the (discontinued) MFB Nanozwerk or any synth with voltage controlled filter/pitch and a ribbon controller.

    Sure, you could buy a theremin for around the same money as a synth plus ribbon controller, but the synth/controller route has the huge advantage of not having to learn to play a theremin :-)

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    Re: How can I reproduce the Theremin sound on the Mopho x4? 2016/04/17 17:01:29 (permalink)
    Shalom.
    To start I did not know the Mopho can self resonate until now LOL
     
    Here is a image of what I done so far. Hopefully you can see it :)
    https://plus.google.com/1...=107397100172518727545
     
    I do have a volume pedal controlling Volume and Mod wheel controlling Vibrato so I can manually.
    But I can not get the glide or pitch wheel to work and C# and D above middle C sound the same :(
     
    I do own a Theremin and no it's not easy LOL  But I'm pretty interested in the Theremin sound.
     
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    Re: How can I reproduce the Theremin sound on the Mopho x4? 2016/04/18 18:34:42 (permalink)
    I'm not at home so I can't test things using my Mopho, but off the top of my head use the Mopho's filter knob to sweep filter pitch if you're using the filter as a sound source. Pitch wheels tend not to be assignable to anything else but oscillator pitch.

    And no, filter keyboard tracking is rarely spot on through the whole range.

    My fake theremin is a Doepfer ribbon controller and a Nanozwerg. Using control voltages rather than discrete MIDI values makes for a swoopy and smoother out-of-tune-o-phone. I keep thinking that one day I'll get a theremin, but the more I've talked to good thereminists, the less I've felt up to facing that learning curve.

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    Re: How can I reproduce the Theremin sound on the Mopho x4? 2016/04/20 02:18:42 (permalink)
    This sounds more hard to play compared to a real Theremin LOL I did find a
    Arturia Micro brute Theremin preset  using the sawtooth and pulse width with
    the triangle. http://severed.garden/synths/microbrute-patches-synths/theremin-sound-with-microbrute/ 
     
     
     
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