CarvinAbuser
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32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
I'd like to know if Sonar Platinum 64-bit supports 32-bit plugins. If so, anyone have any issues with this? Thanks
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/15 20:43:20
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2016/04/15 22:46:21
Hi. I have some 32bit plugins (mostly SONAR's older plugins that are not 64 bit yet). It will open by default in bitbridge, which has been known to cause problems with some 3rd party plugins) plugins (I have not had any issues). There is also J-bridge which supposedly is more stable with more plugins ( I believe that it costs a little). You could try, and just remove the ones that does not work.
All the best.
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/15 22:04:32
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Zarg71 said it well. Give jbridge a try. It has a demo and only costs 15 euros (about $17) and works well.
Good luck!
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/16 14:24:50
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☄ Helpfulby jude77 2016/04/17 14:03:54
Many of the commercial plugins that used to be 32-bit only were updated to provide 64-bit versions, as pretty much the entire industry moved to 64-bit processing.
You might find it worthwhile to check on the websites for your remaining 32-bit plugs, to see if the above is indeed the case for them. If so, wahoo!
If the above is not the case for some of them, then as noted the included BitBridge with Sonar may work well for you - or possibly not - and this will vary from plugin to plugin. You may also find that the commercially available (and pretty cheap) JBridge will work better for some of the ones that don't get along nicely through the Sonar included BitBridge - again, this will vary from plugin to plugin.
I CAN tell you that many many folks have reported WAY less problems once they moved away from a mixed environment, to where they either updated or replaced or retired their 32-bit plugs and got to a pure or mostly pure 64-bit environment.
You could additionally ALSO install a 32-bit instance of Sonar, which lives quite peacefully alongside also having a 64-bit version of Sonar installed. You could create tracks/projects in the 32-bit Sonar for when you HAVE to use a 32-bit plugin that just does not work in a 64-bit Sonar.
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/17 13:48:03
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robert_e_bone
I CAN tell you that many many folks have reported WAY less problems once they moved away from a mixed environment, to where they either updated or replaced or retired their 32-bit plugs and got to a pure or mostly pure 64-bit environment.
This definitely the way to go, if you can do it.
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/17 13:56:02
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The short answer is yes, it does support them. There is a built-in "bridge" that should allow them to work. Put the 32-bit plugs in a separate folder and include that folder in your VST folder locations in Sonar.
The vast majority should work, but some may give you problems. If you absolutely refuse to give them up, you can try the jBridge utility mentioned earlier.
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/17 17:08:35
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bridging 32 bit into a 64 bit DAW uses more resources
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/17 19:35:25
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Most 32bit ones seem to work. However, there are exceptions. I've never been able to get Drum Core 3 to work properly (it crashes every single time you try to close Sonar and will not let you save the project. X3 Producer.
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/17 20:20:42
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Brian Walton
Most 32bit ones seem to work. However, there are exceptions. I've never been able to get Drum Core 3 to work properly (it crashes every single time you try to close Sonar and will not let you save the project. X3 Producer.
Try jbridge.... It allowed me to use Kitcore in Sonar X1, X3, and Platinum with no issues.
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/17 20:54:18
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Brian Walton
Most 32bit ones seem to work. However, there are exceptions. I've never been able to get Drum Core 3 to work properly (it crashes every single time you try to close Sonar and will not let you save the project. X3 Producer.
Try jbridge.... It allowed me to use Kitcore in Sonar X1, X3, and Platinum with no issues.
I ran the demo of jbridge a little while ago and it didn't work for me. It is possible I didn't set it up correctly, but I was unsuccessful. Unfortunate considering It is an amazing plugin.
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/17 21:17:17
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Brian Walton
Most 32bit ones seem to work. However, there are exceptions. I've never been able to get Drum Core 3 to work properly (it crashes every single time you try to close Sonar and will not let you save the project. X3 Producer.
http://www.sonomawireworks.com/drumcore/ The above is for DrumCore 4, which is a 64-bit newer version of DrumCore. This may fix your crashing problems if you can upgrade to this and install it in 64-bit mode. I hope that helps, Bob Bone
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/17 22:03:05
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I don't think DC4 is out yet, Bob. They've been beta testing for the Mac, but I don't believe they're doing anything for Windows users yet. It's been on a preorder status for a couple years now.:(
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/18 17:23:42
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Leadfoot
It's been on a preorder status for a couple years now.:(
Good grief.
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/18 18:09:20
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WOW - Sorry for my being such a tease on that then - it had just occurred for me to look to see if there was a 64-bit version out there, and I got trigger happy when I saw the product page. It hadn't seemed like vaporware. My mistake.
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/18 20:28:58
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robert_e_bone
WOW - Sorry for my being such a tease on that then - it had just occurred for me to look to see if there was a 64-bit version out there, and I got trigger happy when I saw the product page. It hadn't seemed like vaporware. My mistake.
Bob Bone
Yep, unusual situation where they have literally had a pre-order for it for a couple years. They are Mac Beta testing now. (and as a Windows user, don't even care about that). Great sounding software, but also find it sad having to upgrade to get 64bit support...especially with this kind of wait. Don't need any new features or sounds personally, I just need it to work in a modern environment.
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/19 11:30:52
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I have done some searching with Google for DrumCore 3 crashing in 64-bit, and some folks had reported success getting it to run in 64-bit hosts by launching the host with Run As Administrator (not the same thing as just having a User with Admin privileges). They also were using JBridge, and some reported turning off Windows UAC (User Account Control) (I don't recommend turning of UAC, by the way).
So, it might be worth:
1) Trying out JBridge's free demo
2) Right-clicking on the Sonar launch icon and using Run As Administrator
3) IF it doesn't work using the above, you could try again, first turning off UAC, as a test
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/19 14:35:37
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robert_e_bone
I have done some searching with Google for DrumCore 3 crashing in 64-bit, and some folks had reported success getting it to run in 64-bit hosts by launching the host with Run As Administrator (not the same thing as just having a User with Admin privileges). They also were using JBridge, and some reported turning off Windows UAC (User Account Control) (I don't recommend turning of UAC, by the way).
So, it might be worth:
1) Trying out JBridge's free demo
2) Right-clicking on the Sonar launch icon and using Run As Administrator
3) IF it doesn't work using the above, you could try again, first turning off UAC, as a test
Bob Bone
Only thing I haven't done is #3
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Re: 32-bit Plugs on 64-bit Sonar
2016/04/19 15:48:08
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Brian, I would recommend giving jbridge one more try, using the latest version. There was an version not long ago that didn't work well, so I reinstalled an earlier version that always worked great for Kitcore. Try the latest release, and if that doesn't work, try version 1.5. That version was always rock solid for me. I hope it works!
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