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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/25 17:48:09
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Rob[atSound-Rehab]
Show stopper here. While it works on the laptop with the X32 as audio device, it crashes at startup on the studio DAW when used with the VS-700 ASIO driver, 44.1 kHz as well as 96 kHz (win7 64bit)
I am so sorry to hear that. I remember when I wanted that unit (VS-700) so bad it hurt. It's posts like this that make me glad I held out for my RME UFX. It's been rock solid in SONAR, Reaper, S1V3 and Mixbus. As is my Presonus Faderport. I'm hoping these two units will server me well for the duration of my life in the DAW world. MIDI-wise the only thing I'd really like to have is the 88 Key Komplete Kontroller although my AXIOM 61 does do me pretty well most of the time.
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/25 18:03:41
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I'll stick another pin in the Roland voodoo doll.
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/25 21:12:04
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i understand somebody on logic 8 or Ableton going to mixbuss , but why sonar users are usuing it ? sonar has one of the best engine in the daw market .
is it just for the simple and straight to the point interface and the welcomed limitations ?
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/25 21:26:07
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Zo
i understand somebody on logic 8 or Ableton going to mixbuss , but why sonar users are usuing it ? sonar has one of the best engine in the daw market .
is it just for the simple and straight to the point interface and the welcomed limitations ?
Mixbus gets the "Harrison" sound (i.e. console). Nobody, AFAIK, has emulated a Harrison Console. UAD emulates the Harrison EQ but not the console. This is what interests me in certain types of genres/songs. Will it replace SONAR as my tracking and arranging tool? Nope. Will it (sometimes) be my mixing environment vs SONAR? Yup. YMMV.
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/26 00:22:03
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bapu
I remember when I wanted that unit (VS-700) so bad it hurt.
It's posts like this that make me glad I held out for my RME UFX. It's been rock solid in SONAR, Reaper, S1V3 and Mixbus. As is my Presonus Faderport. I'm hoping these two units will server me well for the duration of my life in the DAW world.
MIDI-wise the only thing I'd really like to have is the 88 Key Komplete Kontroller although my AXIOM 61 does do me pretty well most of the time.
yeah. wanted it really bad myself and fell for it. mind you, the control surface is still exceptional. nothing gets close to the experience when using Sonar. the audio interface itself makes a lot of fan noise and has one of the not so stable drivers (can't compare to RME from what I hear). so when I can justify the move moneywise, I'll be off to to RME while keeping the VS-700 as a CS only ... ampfixer
I'll stick another pin in the Roland voodoo doll.
good luck with finding a spot. the doll has become a hedgehog already
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/26 00:22:48
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Zo
i understand somebody on logic 8 or Ableton going to mixbuss , but why sonar users are usuing it ? sonar has one of the best engine in the daw market .
is it just for the simple and straight to the point interface and the welcomed limitations ?
Mixbus gets the "Harrison" sound (i.e. console). Nobody, AFAIK, has emulated a Harrison Console. UAD emulates the Harrison EQ but not the console.
This is what interests me in certain types of genres/songs. Will it replace SONAR as my tracking and arranging tool? Nope. Will it (sometimes) be my mixing environment vs SONAR? Yup.
YMMV.
that's exactly why I seriously want to give it try ...
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/26 12:41:43
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/04/26 13:27:32
The way I think of it is that many DAW's have an added console emulator. Harrison is more like a console emulator that added a DAW.
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/26 13:11:49
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ampfixer
The way I think of it is that many DAW's have an added console emulator. Harrison is more like a console emulator that added a DAW.
Excellent analysis John.
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/26 14:03:33
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Show stopper here. While it works on the laptop with the X32 as audio device, it crashes at startup on the studio DAW when used with the VS-700 ASIO driver, 44.1 kHz as well as 96 kHz (win7 64bit)
Need to note that this issue has (most likely) been solved. Harrison support is quick :-) Here's what I got from them ... and I could start and use the software and now can hopefully can dig in The Roland drivers have been troublesome for us; so troublesome that we added an option specifically to make them work better. Please try clicking the "buffered audio" checkbox in the Audio Setup dialog, and tell me if that allows the Roland device to work better. You might also try using a different device ( such as choosing PortAudio, MME, {internal soundcard in&out } to verify whether Mixbus is crashing on -any- device, or if it is associated with the Roland device.
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/26 14:22:16
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LOL!
I was going to suggest the Buffered IO option but I deleted it before I posted it because I was sure you you said "Mixbus crashes before it opens (on the desktop)" and was thinking how can he set something if it's not opening.
Hope that solves it for you.
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/27 18:13:50
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Thks bapu , so basically , it s not a feature or workflow choice but a sonic landscape approach if i understood well .... Witch is valid ...
But i tend to be super skeptikal with tjose "sounds like a console "tools or distortion
For the dsp part ...eq and dynamic not sure if those could be compared with real emulations ...that alone would have taken a lot of time , in witch they did a whole daw !
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/27 18:17:48
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Zo,
Not entirely. First it is the sonic choice and second it a workflow choice in that by moving to Mixbus I will be in a different mindset of mixing/mastering and not be drawn back into the recording & editing stage.
I do expect to do some basic sound sculpting in SONAR before I export tracks (or stems) to Mixbus.
Lastly, as I said, I may not always do this (mix/master in Mixbus) but it's nice to have that tool and option.
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/27 19:38:38
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100% agree with the Bapu on this. Sonar has way more shiny things to distract me and cause a state of perpetual mixing. When the tracks go to Mixbus it's for my final processing stages. I don't really want to know about tracking in Mixbus, I'm more focused on subtle eq tweaks and balancing the levels.
They are already doing some voodoo to the tracks behind the curtain with their console emulation and I think that's the sound difference everyone talks about. Simply importing the tracks is another stage of sound processing.
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/27 21:46:26
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They are already doing some voodoo to the tracks behind the curtain with their console emulation and I think that's the sound difference everyone talks about. Simply importing the tracks is another stage of sound processing.
Mmm could you guyz post 2 songs summed , zero fx and drive from sonar and mixbus and let us compare. ?
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/28 09:44:14
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ampfixer
They are already doing some voodoo to the tracks behind the curtain with their console emulation and I think that's the sound difference everyone talks about. Simply importing the tracks is another stage of sound processing.
Mmm could you guyz post 2 songs summed , zero fx and drive from sonar and mixbus and let us compare. ?
PM'd you Zo.
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/28 09:47:22
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Mixbus is basically a software recreation of the digital DSP they developed I think in the early 90's when they switched out their analog signal processing to digital. Their consoles have used DSP since then while retaining the Harrison sound. I think they switched to digital mixers because of the requirements of the movie industry. Bear in mind these are just little snippets of info I've picked up from God knows where 
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/28 17:20:49
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/28 17:34:45
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Purrrfect Audio DAW here. Wow!...
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/28 17:45:37
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I think I would agree.
Since I have the UAD 32C EQ plug; if I put that on every Mixbus 3 channel what do I miss (besides 4 more buses)?
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/28 17:51:18
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I hope Harrison doesn't have too many console models else I'll be paying $149 Ad Infinitum.
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/28 20:21:02
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$500 in Canada. I guess they figured out how to change the $79 paradigm. Good things never stay good. 
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/28 21:50:43
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$500 in Canada. I guess they figured out how to change the $79 paradigm. Good things never stay good.
This is no indication that they're abandoning the regular Mixbus though is it?
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/29 00:46:54
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Just got the mail and watched the video, but I'm quite confused and not understanding their marketing concept.
32C came out of nowhere and there is no clear picture what the difference to 3.3 is - is it just 4 additional buses and more EQ ?!?!? or is the core engine also next generation, etc.
I'd really like to see a feature comparison chart like Cake has for their packages ... and know if they will force users into upgrading by discontinuing the 3.x line. Not knowing the pros makes me think 149 USD is a bit steep.
Just getting 3.3 to work in my hostile Roland environment (which is a bit tricky) so I'd be quite keen to know what's changed under the hood.
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/04/29 02:05:21
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☄ Helpfulby Rob[at]Sound-Rehab 2016/04/29 02:49:44
Reading between the lines
Probably under the hood (MIDI, AUDIO and stuff) is the same (since they are both based on Ardour 4).
4 Extra buses can be (as one Harrison forum user said) either great or not enough.
What is (mainly) different is the whole concept of what the EQ's do. Mixbus3 is based on their digital console DSP engine whereas Mixbus 32C is based on the 32C analog console.
So I see it (32C) as a new console emulation option that adds 4 more buses (of which I was one of the early requesters that MB3 have more of). I only wish that MB3 will get back ported to have 12 buses too, but since I bit the bullet on 32C I can have the best of both worlds (as options that is).
The main "gotcha" is that if you took an unfinished MB3 project into MB32C it is (almost) like starting over since the EQs are different and can't transalte back and forth. So if I were to try and decide which I liked for a particular piece I would choose to import stems/track into both and approach like I was attempting a mix at two different "studios" or DAWs.
Once I think I have a handle on MB3 vs. 32C I'll probably know which I'd do a particular project on and not go for both simultaneously.
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/05/08 03:17:35
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After several hours on Mixbus 3.3 I see really stable behavior (given that I cycle the "buffered input" option every time I start). I did not have a single crash while doing a " static mix" (i.e. without automation). All plugins I tried (Harrison, NI, WAVES, Overloud) worked fined. A brief summary of thoughts and experiences (+/-): - Sound quality is indeed different and it seems to give me what I'd like to hear with a lot fewer plugins in use than when I mix in Sonar (+)
- Very intuitive. Hardly any need for the manual; did read it but not really necessary (+)
- EQ knobs on buses really seem to fit the required needs. All lot you can do by adjusting bus EQ (+)
- EQ knobs are very tiny and little movement with mouse gives me a lot of dBs (-) which I hope to get better if I get the control surface to work
- Control surface support is there, basic functionality given straight away for my CS i.e. faders, mute, solo (+). Hoping to get access to EQ and compression via MIDI remapping
- Automation drawing by hand crashes Mixbus fairly quickly (plugin independent, simply the process of adding points to new automation track seems to do it). Some parameters in plugins I could not get to respond to automation (-)
For the "unplugged" session that I was mixing 8 buses were sufficient, for the usual projects it won't. So if I really start to like this thing I might have to bite the bullet and also buy Mixbus 32C - although the 4 extra buses might just get me there or still might be a few short of my usual needs
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/05/08 09:49:19
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Has anyone found that when you select right click context options on plugins, they don't "take" and you have to select them a second time? For instance to delete a plugin I sometimes have to select "delete" twice. And sometimes the plugin pin connection manager won't appear until I've selected it a second time.
Another problem I occasionally see is when I double click a plugin in the strip to open its window, but a different plugin's window appears instead. Thought I was going mad a couple of times last night with that.
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Re: Mixbus 3.3 is out
2016/05/08 10:08:38
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I have had to right click twice a few times to delete a plugin...that is a bug. I haven't ever seen the wrong gui for a plugin. I'll look out for that.
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