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2016/04/22 17:30:21 (permalink)

Why are we here?

There's a lot of great talent on this site, in fact, sometimes it's overwhelming.  I first came to this site a few years ago because I thought after 40 years of recording, I could offer some insights to new artists.  However, I soon discovered that I didn't know as much as I thought, and this place became a classroom for me.  After a while, I learned to listen more and give advice less.  I started learning a new way of production that is better suited for the digital age.  Slowly, my analog thinking evolved, and I began seeing new ways of producing music that better suited my own style of writing.
 
There are a ton of good people who are here mainly to offer advice and their ears, rather than to promote themselves.  They don't beg for comments, and they don't need to because they have given so much over a long period of time.  There are also people here that ask for comments, and then become critical when someone tells them something they don't like or something they don't expect to hear.  It's become easy to spot the self-promoters over the ones who want to actually learn something.  I had to learn humility before I was ready to learn something new about my craft, and I hope that it continues that way until I'm no longer able to do this.
 
I bring this up because I'm grateful to all those who've helped me in the past (you know who you are), and a little disappointed by the few who don't get this.  Peace and creativity to all.  
Lynn

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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/22 17:42:39 (permalink)
Well said Lynn, I hope I fall into the helpful category as that is what I aim to be :)

I always try and find something positive to say while being honest if something sounds off.
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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/22 17:45:07 (permalink)
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Well said Lynn, I hope I fall into the helpful category as that is what I aim to be :)

I always try and find something positive to say while being honest if something sounds off.

You are very much one of my mentors and inspirations, Daryl.

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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/22 17:47:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2016/04/25 09:19:06
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daryl1968
Well said Lynn, I hope I fall into the helpful category as that is what I aim to be :)

I always try and find something positive to say while being honest if something sounds off.

You are very much one of my mentors and inspirations, Daryl.


And you I Sir.
Should we hug or something.......? :)
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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/23 08:08:17 (permalink)
Nice post Lynn.
 
I've heard some astonishing music in the 10 (!) years I've been hanging around here, I remember it being quite a humbling experience when I first started posting my own music.
 
It is a shame about those who choose to demand attention without much by way of return, but by and large I think they're outweighed by those that freely give support and sound advice.
 
Personally I love hearing music made by my contemporaries here, for one thing it gets me listening to genres and styles that I wouldn't usually.
 

 
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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/23 09:51:26 (permalink)
Well put Lynn!
My mixes are much better because of the input of this forum.   I am very grateful.   Other than buying my DAW, learning to use it, joining the forum has been the best thing I did.  It's a no-brainer to have an extra set of ears let alone several sets!  I actually have the attitude, "Well, this mix sounds good to me.  Now let's have the forum improve it."  And, they do...

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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/23 10:29:35 (permalink)
Hi Lynn , I agree I also have learned a lot over the years here on this forum .
It's one of the best forums on the web , there's so much talented people created music of every style .
Yes I might have had some rough times with few people in the past but that's behind me now and that's why I'm back hoping to learn more .
For six months I did nothing , recorded nothing until two months ago .
I managed to create and record two new songs , I'm trying to get back into my music again after dealing with hospital stays and two surgeries .
Six heart stents , it's been a tough ride for me dealing with all of my health issues lately and I was hoping rejoining would get my mind off of those heart issues and just maybe I can learn something new from people like yourself who is knows much more about music then I do .
Take care Lynn , I will be around
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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/25 09:08:15 (permalink)
I'm here because if I listen to something I produced 10 years ago to what I'm doing now, I can hear the difference. The difference is due to:
 
  • Hearing what is possible
  • Hearing what you need to hear when you are too close to your work
  • Hearing about how to do something that makes you think "I didn't know I could do that"
  • Hearing in your mind how you would want to hear something when you listen to another persons creation and knowing what would help achieve a particular sound, then sharing
 
It is a great place and has been a huge boon to me personally. Thanks for sharing Lynn!
 
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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/25 20:56:21 (permalink)
Not everyone here cares the slightest bit about the quality of the recording.  You have to face that reality.  For some it's simply the music.  For some who have actually studied music it's composition, audience, and performance.  The art of recording has an effect on the perceived performance only to people who sit in their mothers basements and rock forwards and backwards, or bounce their knees nervously.  At least that's my observation.  I however enjoy learning new things...I figure I only got like 20 years left if I'm lucky.  Can't go out like a fool!
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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/25 23:45:06 (permalink)
I see many times comments that are really just polite words without too much substance. It's all good that we encourage one another but it can be misleading to hold back constructive crits because it might hurt some egos.
I have always tried to give honest feedback in a positive way that might just make a difference to someone. 
To me, the only way to improve is to listen to those that know what the heck they are talking about and that want to help for no other motive than to be generous with their experience.
 
This forum has always been a great place to showcase one's work. I too am amazed at the talent coming from all ages. 
Carry on wayward sons!

 

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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/26 01:09:13 (permalink)
I guess my point is that some people would rather hear:  *it would sound better if you modulated to the v/v instead of stepwise at 2:22* than *the bridge needs a slight eq adjustment.*  We have both musicians and engineers here, not just engineers and audiophiles.
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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/26 05:45:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2016/04/26 08:34:19
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I guess my point is that some people would rather hear:  *it would sound better if you modulated to the v/v instead of stepwise at 2:22* than *the bridge needs a slight eq adjustment.*  We have both musicians and engineers here, not just engineers and audiophiles.


True, but the forum is tied to recording software. There are songwriting critique forums out there.
Funnily enough though, you get comments on the recording quality :)
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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/26 07:54:50 (permalink)
Well said Lynn I can fully concur with your thoughts I have learned so much from listening to all the different styles played here and the comment made by others.

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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/26 08:53:54 (permalink)
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I guess my point is that some people would rather hear:  *it would sound better if you modulated to the v/v instead of stepwise at 2:22* than *the bridge needs a slight eq adjustment.*  We have both musicians and engineers here, not just engineers and audiophiles.


True, but the forum is tied to recording software. There are songwriting critique forums out there.
Funnily enough though, you get comments on the recording quality :)

 
Lol.  So true.  The purpose of recording software has evolved though.
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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/26 18:47:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Lynn 2016/05/02 22:45:34
Hi Lynn , 
I happen to like the idea of this thread topic in the Songs Forum .
I feel the same way as your self and a few folks that have already shared . 
 
Since I've been here as a member for a while . I feel like having a little fun …
 
Part One Of K…'s Polygraph Test  ….
 
Q , Why are you here ? 
A,  I'm here because I'm not all there .
 
Q, What do you mean by that ? 
A, I got tired of not having any control over my music . I was running all over town playing guitar for a bunch of shady characters ..Some Known …many just legends in their own mind ..Either way I had nothing tangible to show for my music so I came here ….. 
 
Q, OK , What are you getting out of being here ? Why do you stick around ?
A, When I came here , I was a newb to computers and how to use them to record , I was not a newb to playing on other peoples recording sessions …I thought I may benefit from cutting out all the external BS and learn a new skill.
 
Q, Hows that going ? 
A, Everything I have ever learned about how to record with a computer and a DAW started here …
Also many people here helped me out configuring my hardware and system .
 
Q, What do you think about the Songs Forum ?
A, Overall , for me personally , I happen to think the songs forum is a very good creative outlet . 
I look at it along the lines of a much hipper Open Mic type of thing and I enjoy participating and interacting with many of the members that post songs here . For me it fills a social need that is absent in my day to day life and GEO location …
 
Q, Hhhmmm OK , good answer , hows about we step up to the plate and play some hard ball ?
A , OK , I'm game .
 
Q, Do you compete with your fellow song members ?
A,  No , I do not …
 
Q , How come ? 
A, I'm not here to compete with people , I'm just here to share …
 
Q , Are you telling the truth ?
A, Yes I am . Hey man , don't you know ?  You'r the one thats got me hooked up to all these freaking wires ….
 
Q, Just checking ..
A, OK .lol 
 
Q, Do you listen to the songs before you comment ?
A, Yes I do , usually more than once because there are times when my personal moods may be someplace else and I do not want that to affect my feedback on the song …
 
Q, That sounds like a lot of work ..
A, It is 
 
Q, What happens if you hear a song by a member and you think the song need a lot of work , will you tell the person the truth ? 
A, Yes I will . I do not believe there is any "Rank"  here on the songs forum and I try my best to find the common ground . By that I mean , I may be good at one or two things and I may need a lot of work in may areas , so I extend that leeway to another song poster who may or may not have skills in a few areas …
I try my best to hear what the artist is trying to say from their point of view first before I get judgmental .
 
Q, Why go there ? 
A, The reason why I go there is because most of the people that post songs here genuinely want to share their creative efforts and feel a bond of fellowship with some of their forum friends here.
A lot of us here may end up working alone . In many cases we have to go places in our music where we may need more growth and development …
 
Q, OK what do you mean ? 
A, Well in my case ,  I tend to focus on the guitar .
Yet, I've had to learn things that normally I would not have wanted to learn how to do ….
Way too many to list at this point from all ends of the musical production spectrum …
When I listen to a forum members song I may notice they may be weak in a few areas …
In some cases they may be weak in the same areas I'm weak in …or it could be other areas I'm still trying to get better at …
 
Q, Why cut them so much slack ? 
A, Other people have cut me slack for years . It's all a two way street Bro . I'm here to learn and be supportive …
 
Q, So What's your point ? 
A, My point is rather simple  Most of the things I need to do to bump my music up to the next level involves spending money wisely ..
 
Q WTF ? What do you mean ….
A, I really do not want to inflict my Music upon the world the way it is …the music I post does have emotion that corresponds to what I'm trying to convey and it is the best I can do for now all alone …
Still I would much rather be in a position to have a budget to hire professional players to play the instruments I do not play all that well ..ex …real drummer , real key players , real Bass player  , real Mix engineer ..ect ect…
 
Q, So why go there then ? 
A, A lot of people are in the same boat here on the songs forum …they are just doing the best they can with what they have …
 
Q, OK that seems to make sense …just a few more questions K…OK ? 
A, No ……get these freaking wires off of me …….
 
Q , What do you think of ……. ? 
A , Get these freaking wires off of me …….Dude…get these freaking wires off of me …….
I've already said enough …
 
all the best ,
 
Kenny 
 
 
 
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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/26 18:53:20 (permalink)
Interesting Kenny.  You're very talented, much more than you give yourself credit for.  Who are these shady characters so I can avoid theM?  BTW, keep looking I've found some great *reasonable* musicians to work with.  They're in Nashville though.  Local scene here in PDX is like a sea of tulips under 6 feet of salt water. Nashville musicians (besides being the best in the world) are like fire ants, when there's a flood they lock their arms together and float on top of the water.
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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/26 23:27:06 (permalink)
yep, what y'all said. Agreed.
 
 
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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/27 18:05:14 (permalink)
GROUP HUG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      
 
Seriously though, this place is great.    I learn so much by listening to others, absorbing how songs are put together and mixed, and gathering ideas.   Heck, a few of the songs I've done were completely a result of listening to others' songs and being inspired to do something in those genres/styles.   Sometimes it's like a virtual wellspring around these parts. 
 

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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/27 19:44:22 (permalink)
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Q, OK that seems to make sense …just a few more questions K…OK ? 
A, No ……get these freaking wires off of me …….
 
Q , What do you think of ……. ? 
A , Get these freaking wires off of me …….Dude…get these freaking wires off of me …….
I've already said enough …

Dr. Kenny Lizardo

 
This is a serious thread, I know, but all I could think of was Roll The Bones by Rush ("Why are we here? Because we're here! Roll the bones!"), and then I couldn't get Emilio Lizardo out of my head. Sorry.
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Re: Why are we here? 2016/04/27 20:45:08 (permalink)
Lynn - you are definitely at the top of the list here.

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Re: Why are we here? 2016/05/02 21:56:26 (permalink)
Lynn, thanks for posting this.  I too have learned an incredible amount since joining the forum.  The best part was that even though I got lots and lots of suggestions (especially in the beginning), it was given in a courteous, helpful manner.  I have viewed other forums where it seems that everybody is to busy flaming and criticizing each other that it sounds more like a political debate vs. a helpful forum. 
Personally, I am not comfortable with my level of knowledge or skills in music to provide many constructive suggestions about the mixes.  However, if I hear something I like, then I will provide positive comments.  Encouragement and positive feedback are good teachers also.
You have to admit, Kenny's response to this posting was funny.  It sure brought a smile to my face!
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Re: Why are we here? 2016/05/03 11:49:10 (permalink)
I want to thank everybody for replying to the "rant" of mine.  I have to say that Kenny really stepped up to the plate on this.  I couldn't have said it better.  At first I was reluctant to write this, but now, I'm glad I got it out of my system.  Carry on, all.

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Re: Why are we here? 2016/05/11 01:24:44 (permalink)
Nice "rant" Lynn 
 
I know why I'm here... I've learned so much while also "advertising" my own works here. I am rarely able to off much advice but I am always willing to listen to other peeps music. I have also learned so much, thanks to the helpful advice from this very forum, for which I will always be grateful.
 
Now I've got to go and do some "catching up!"

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