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2016/04/26 14:59:52 (permalink)

Sonar 2016.03

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Please forgive my ignorance, but I've been out of the loop here for quite a long time.....I received an email regarding a 2016.03 update that reads "for both new or existing Sonar users", what exactly is this update, and what version(s) of Sonar is this for?
 
 
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Re: Sonar 2016.03 2016/04/26 21:40:48 (permalink)
Hi Musikman. It is for Sonar Artist, Professional and Platinum (All versions of Sonar after x3e).
The updates in the new Sonar are cumulative, so you need only install the latest.

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Re: Sonar 2016.03 2016/04/27 01:57:37 (permalink)
There have been 4 or 5 (depending on how you count) major upgrades to Sonar since 8.5.3, and the last one -- Sonar 2015 -- came with 12 monthly updates, some of which seemed like major upgrades.  Is this the first email notice you've received?
 
Anyway, you might want to go here and read about the new Sonar. I loved 8.5.3, but the newest version is better (you might need to consider a new computer, too, if you can).

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Re: Sonar 2016.03 2016/04/28 14:59:19 (permalink)
Ok thanks guys, I guess that rules me out if it's only for versions after x3e. So why don't they make it clear that it's only for x3e and later??  I've also never heard of Sonar 2015, never got any emails about it, and in my account products page I only have 8.5 and 8.5.3 Producer, don't see anything else for Sonar.
 
In a way I'm kinda glad I missed a lot of updates, they charge way too much for existing users to upgrade versions. Used to be very reasonable, but now it seems all they want to do is drain your wallet. For example, if I wanted to upgrade from 8.5.3 to Sonar Platinum, it's gonna cost me $200, that's almost half of what it cost for a new user buying it off the shelf for the first time!  So what kind of break do you call that for being a customer for 15 years?? NO BREAK, that's what I call it.  I really like Sonar, don't get me wrong, but for that kind of upgrade money I can purchase a very capable brand new DAW of another kind. Pretty soon the upgrades are going to be $500, then what?
 
Larry, I actually am upgrading my PC as we speak, so when I get it back from my technician I'll have Windows 10 on it and from what I have read, my Sonar 8.5.3 Producer will not run on Win10, or at least it hasn't been tested yet. I know the best way to go is upgrade to Platinum, but if I'm being honest, I really have to think about whether or not it is affordable to do so anymore, that's what it's come down to unfortunately. I'm on a fixed income, so most of the time I really don't have $200 lying around that I can just throw at Cakewalk, wish I did! Guess I'll have to either look elsewhere, or wait until they offer a discount or the price just drops.
 
Again, thanks for the advice, much appreciate, and sorry to vent here in this thread, I guess maybe I should be talking to one of the reps instead.
 
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Re: Sonar 2016.03 2016/04/29 03:33:18 (permalink)
Once you're on the current version, annual updates are $99 or even less if you shop around.

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Re: Sonar 2016.03 2016/05/03 14:20:03 (permalink)
I hear ya, but only after I've spent the $200. I just don't think they should charge so much from their faithful users of many years. They come out with a new version every year, and every time there's an upgrade we have to pay up at least $99, and heaven forbid if we like the version we've been using and miss one or two upgrades, we now get charged double. Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but it seems like overkill imho.

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Re: Sonar 2016.03 2016/05/03 14:45:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Klaus 2016/05/03 15:11:03
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I hear ya, but only after I've spent the $200. I just don't think they should charge so much from their faithful users of many years. They come out with a new version every year, and every time there's an upgrade we have to pay up at least $99, and heaven forbid if we like the version we've been using and miss one or two upgrades, we now get charged double. Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but it seems like overkill imho.


You've been out of the upgrade game for five and a half years! That's several hundreds of dollars you've saved .

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Re: Sonar 2016.03 2016/05/04 03:33:28 (permalink)
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I hear ya, but only after I've spent the $200. I just don't think they should charge so much from their faithful users of many years. They come out with a new version every year, and every time there's an upgrade we have to pay up at least $99, and heaven forbid if we like the version we've been using and miss one or two upgrades, we now get charged double. Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but it seems like overkill imho.


Actually they DON'T come out with a new version every year, not any more.
 
There is one core version available in different flavours (Artist, Professional & Platinum) and these are updated monthly.
 
I spend more on coffee every year than I do on Sonar.

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Re: Sonar 2016.03 2016/05/04 04:39:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Bristol_Jonesey 2016/05/04 05:23:21
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I spend more on coffee every year than I do on Sonar.

 
I spend more on coffee every year than I do on my mortgage:)
 
FWIW I will never understand how folks can complain about Sonar's upgrade prices. They have ALWAYS been very fair and I think now are better value than ever. 

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Re: Sonar 2016.03 2016/05/04 05:21:04 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2016/05/04 23:29:32
Totally agree.
 
it's also amazing that [some] people never seem bothered by paying 2, 3, 4 times the price of Sonar for a suite of plugins!
 

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Re: Sonar 2016.03 2016/05/04 22:27:01 (permalink)
 
"Actually they DON'T come out with a new version every year, not any more.
There is one core version available in different flavours (Artist, Professional & Platinum) and these are updated monthly. I spend more on coffee every year than I do on Sonar."


Ok, so are they charging a fee every month now? How does that work? I know some software companies make you pay a "maintenance" fee yearly.
 
Btw, it looks like Command Center is only useful for the newest versions (Artist, Professional, and Platinum), is that correct? It really doesn't come out and specify, it just says it installs "your connected products".
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Re: Sonar 2016.03 2016/05/04 23:17:13 (permalink)
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Ok, so are they charging a fee every month now? How does that work? I know some software companies make you pay a "maintenance" fee yearly.
 
Btw, it looks like Command Center is only useful for the newest versions (Artist, Professional, and Platinum), is that correct? It really doesn't come out and specify, it just says it installs "your connected products".


You can pay yearly or monthly. Once you have paid 12 months via either method you 'own'  the software to that point. Unlike a subscription model it does not stop working. The one off, single payment upgrade fee gives you 12 months of updates,  and you own the software. 
Once you get your head around it and see see what is included each month it really is good value.  Bear in mind when you update you are getting all of the major improvements that have happened for the entire time since you last upgraded, which is quite a few years if you are still on 8.5
 
Yes -  CCC is only for updating Sonar 2015 onwards. You could hardly expect Cakewalk to implement new update features in six year old software -  there will certainly be no updates to the version that you have. 
post edited by tenfoot - 2016/05/04 23:53:26

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Re: Sonar 2016.03 2016/05/05 00:55:23 (permalink)
There's so much that's been included in SONAR Platinum since 8.5.3. For example Melodyne Essential alone costs $99 and Addictive Drums 2 is $170. If you want to see what's been added to SONAR since X3, click here. And X3 added a lot that's not in 8.5.3.
 
This isn't to diminish the reality that if you're on fixed income, $200 is a lot of money. I totally understand that. But the pricing also has to be fair to Cakewalk, and you get a lot for $200. You could also upgrade to SONAR Professional, which is less expensive but extremely capable, although it lacks some of the "whoa!! cool!" features of Platinum.

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Re: Sonar 2016.03 2016/05/07 10:45:24 (permalink)
Thanks for the answers, guess I've been out of the loop for too long, I have a lot of catching up to do!  Regarding the "one payment gives me 12 months of upgrades and I own the software", what happens once the 12 months are over and there are more updates released after that 12 months? I assume I would no longer have to continue paying, unless a new major upgrade is released?
 
Anderton, I hear what you're saying, I know there is a lot of value there, it's just frustrating that what was once very affordable to me is now stretching my wallet. I'll just have to either wait until they have a discount special, or try to find another way to afford it.
 
I'm wondering if I'm going to have to learn how to use the program all over again! I can see the screen grabs on the website, but having actually worked with the newest version, roughly how much different would you say the new version is from 8.5? I know there are more options, new look, etc.....but do the UI and general tools, etc...basically operate the same way as they always have?...or is it completely different?
 
 
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Re: Sonar 2016.03 2016/05/07 10:54:45 (permalink)
See the FAQ http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/SONAR-FAQ#start
The short answer is after 12 months your membership would need to be renewed to continue to receive updates.
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Re: Sonar 2016.03 2016/05/07 11:00:28 (permalink)
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Regarding the "one payment gives me 12 months of upgrades and I own the software", what happens once the 12 months are over and there are more updates released after that 12 months? I assume I would no longer have to continue paying, unless a new major upgrade is released?
 
 
I'm wondering if I'm going to have to learn how to use the program all over again! Having used the newest version, roughly how much different would you say the new version is from 8.5? I know there are more options, new look, etc.....but do the UI and general tools, etc...basically operate the same way as they always have?...or is it completely different?
 
 


If after the 12 months you choose not to continue your membership,  you own the software to that point,  and it will continue to function.  You do not however receive any further updates. 
 
The best way to find out how much it has changed is to download the demo. 

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