Larry Wilson
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Saving too often
HELP!! Please.
Using X1 Producer. I have a simple 6 audio track project that I just recorded. No plug ins or effects added yet. Plenty of computer power. I Just split one track in 5 places and the software started several LONG saving processes preventing me from doing any other work.
Thanks.
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/27 12:31:33
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Could disable autosave, increase the number of changes before save or set it to 0 to save by the clock only.
Plenty of unfragmented disk space?
Is the picture cache full?
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Larry Wilson
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/27 14:46:49
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Thanks Scook. I disabled auto save and that solved the short term situation. However, when I did normal save it took a very long time to execute. Having dropouts too. I guess I'm having broader performance problems. Will try customer support.
My computer is defragged weekly automatically. Don't know how to check my picture cache.
Thanks for you help. Any further comments would be welcome.
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Larry Wilson
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/27 14:58:29
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Man, am I out of touch. No phone support for X1 Producer. "Knowledge Base" support completely unusable.
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/27 15:09:28
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Larry, It's possible that just your Sonar file is fragmented - the symptoms fit and it has happened to me very occasionally.
SOLUTION:
Defrag the Sonar file by: saving as a bundle (.cwb) /// Close it down /// Open the Bundle file again ///
If the above works, (it should automatically defrag the file), you can then re save as a normal file for ease of access.
Regards,
Mark (Chameleon Music)
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Larry Wilson
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/27 16:31:47
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Thanks Mark. Tried it but no change. Since my original post I have a refined/new set of symptoms. When I hit ctrl-s the systems start "working", shows as "not responding" on and off and then after about TWO MINUTES the save process shows and executes normally. Any other ideas?
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/27 16:41:22
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The picture cache is a folder. The path to the folder is in Preferences > File > Audio Data "Picture Folder." Sometimes clearing the folder by deleting all the entries in the folder helps performance.
How full is the drive? How old is the drive? How long is the project?
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Larry Wilson
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/27 16:56:20
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I just transferred the bundle to my nearly new laptop and the file works perfectly. So the problem is clearly in my desktop and the ASIO driver. I guess as a final fallback I can uninstall and reinstall X1.
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/27 17:48:26
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Scook,.
The drive is about 2 years old. Had 4700 files and deleted them all except the 6 files I was working with. No changed but thanks for trying.
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/27 17:58:23
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Larry Wilson
So the problem is clearly in my desktop and the ASIO driver.
It is unlikely the ASIO driver is affecting disk I/O. That would be easy to test by using a different driver mode or interface.
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/27 19:11:27
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Larry,
Sorry the file defrag didn't help.
Other thoughts from past experience:
1) Particular VSTs can cause issues - try removing them one by one and see if there is a compatibility issue?
2) Are you using any 32 bit plugins via bridging software? Always dodgy at the best of times!
3) Melodyne has been known to cause hangs in Sonar on some systems.
4) Check the default sample rate against your projects SR - sometimes a mismatch can cause issues.
5) I think the Picture Cache has already been mentioned - temporary files in there can seriously mount up!
Can't think of anything else off hand.
Mark (Chameleon Music)
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/27 20:02:40
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Larry Wilson
I just transferred the bundle to my nearly new laptop and the file works perfectly. So the problem is clearly in my desktop and the ASIO driver. I can think of two possibilities offhand. - You hard drive is about to fail.
- A RAM stick is failing or has failed (check for memory problems).
- You've filled up your RAM, so the computer is having to do constant disk swaps with your RAM and hard drive.
I guess as a final fallback I can uninstall and reinstall X1.
I highly doubt that will solve the problem, it has the vibe of a computer issue.
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/27 20:04:09
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I've been having very long save times as well (not two minutes like the OP, but way longer than usual). I'm running Sonar Platinum. Just one of many performance issues I've been experiencing lately.
I was tired of my performance getting worse and worse, so I decided to just bite the bullet and build a brand new PC from the ground up. It'll be all put together by Friday night. I'll spend all day Saturday installing all of my software and virtual instruments, etc. If I'm still having performance issues, I'll know it's Sonar's fault and not mine. Haha!
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/28 10:25:32
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Thanks guys. I think its a general computer problem. Will try to fix.
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/28 11:04:37
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Larry,
Try one more thing which solved same problem for me. Archive all the tracks and then try a save. If that improves it, then un-archive a few tracks at a time until you find the track causing the problem.
It might be audio, midi, a software synth, plugin or effect on that track and you might have to just re-build that track only.
Just a thought ?
Chris.
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/28 11:25:00
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Larry Wilsonbundle
can you clarify whether you're using CWB (bundle) format to save?
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/29 02:58:07
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Something I have noticed with newer Windows 7 systems that have a reasonable amount of RAM. In a lot of cases the default windows page file setting of automatic will result in your system trying to create a massive swap file that is just unnecessary. If you have a reasonable amount of RAM reducing and fixing the swap file size can make for a more zippy experience. On my 16GB RAM computers I usually fix it at 4GB.
Looking at my system now it recommends a page file of 24GB! which is just ridiculous. If you have an SSD that might be OK, but on spinning rust that is a significant bottle neck.
I have also noticed that the automatic setting will result in some really poor performance once the primary OS partition starts to get filled with lots of data. ie once you are down around 25% free space.
Might be something to play with and see if it makes any difference.
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Re: Saving too often
2016/04/29 08:21:48
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A few quick items for the OP: - Are you running X1d?
- If you have saved as a bundle, that will remove audio transient information which can lead to long save times (but seems you have already saved as a bundle). It will also consolidate data on the disk when unpacked as long as the disk is defragmented.
- Picture cache has been mentioned, but unsure if it has been cleared (I might have missed this one).
- In Preferences->Audio->Sync and Caching (need the "Advanced" button on the bottom to view this), there is a "File System" section. Bumping up both the Playback and Record I/O Buffer Size (KB) to 512 may also help.
- Lastly, is your default save as a cwp (project) or cwb (bundle)? Saving as a bundle (frequently) is not recommended unless transferring data to another SONAR machine. Saving as a cwp (project) is a simple file that should be quick (sans transient information).
Barring the above, if the issue is still prevalent, system diagnostics would be in order as mentioned above. Your situation is not common.
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