bentleyousley
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Gain issue on cloned tracks - confirm?
I'm using 2016.04. Choose any track with audio. Increase the gain to max (make sure to turn your monitors down!). Clone the track. The cloned track shows a gain of zero, but is the same volume as the original track. Now, double-click on the Gain slider for the original track (to reset the gain to zero). The volume is reduced on the original track. Now, double-click on the Gain slider for the cloned track. The Gain value shows zero but the level is the same as when first cloned. Now, move the Gain slider on the cloned track and then return it to zero. The volume is reduced. Anyone else notice this?
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chilldanny
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Re: Gain issue on cloned tracks - confirm?
2016/05/11 12:28:09
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Confirmed, I'm seeing this behaviour too.
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John T
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Re: Gain issue on cloned tracks - confirm?
2016/05/11 13:27:18
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Yep, I've had this problem and posted about it about a month ago.
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bentleyousley
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Re: Gain issue on cloned tracks - confirm?
2016/05/11 18:12:35
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John T Yep, I've had this problem and posted about it about a month ago.
Yes, I see that now. Did anyone ever open a ticket on this issue?
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baberufus
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Re: Gain issue on cloned tracks - confirm?
2016/05/18 02:48:59
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When I clone a track and then immediately play both tracks soloed together, the cloned ("identical") track's output is 8 db lower than the original track's output. Driving me crazy!
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baberufus
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Re: Gain issue on cloned tracks - confirm?
2016/05/18 02:50:40
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Not exactly the same problem, I know, but I suspect it's an effect of the same bug.
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jpetersen
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Re: Gain issue on cloned tracks - confirm?
2016/05/18 06:03:43
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I had a similar issue with Midi tracks. I got told to go read the manual, that Clone and Copy is not the same, and that the correct way is to make a new track and then copy the contents across.
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gswitz
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Re: Gain issue on cloned tracks - confirm?
2016/05/18 07:01:57
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Yes.same with copied. Gain gets duplicated but the nob doesn't reflect it. Moving the nob then double clicking it fixes this.
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baberufus
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Re: Gain issue on cloned tracks - confirm?
2016/05/18 10:48:37
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Thanks, J, I'll try the copy method, although that makes no sense to me why cloning wouldn't provide the same exact result as copying. gs, I didn't adjust the gain at all on either track, just the playback output shown on the track pane during playback was 8 db lower on the cloned track right out of the gate. Thanks!
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gswitz
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Re: Gain issue on cloned tracks - confirm?
2016/05/18 12:01:18
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Idk, man. My case, in project 1 I raise the gain on a track but don't normalize signals. I split clips and bounce to clips to shorten the clips for copying. In project 2 I paste in the clips... Now the gain nobs do not properly represent the gain (at 0)... instead, the playback is affected as if the gain is the same as it was in project 1. Move the gain nob, double click it... problem gone. That's the case I was describing.
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baberufus
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Re: Gain issue on cloned tracks - confirm?
2016/05/18 12:05:46
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OK, I'll try playing/resetting the gain to see if that makes a difference in my situation…thanks gs!
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Kylotan
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Re: Gain issue on cloned tracks - confirm?
2016/05/19 05:50:37
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Confirmed here - visual appearance of gain doesn't match actual gain level after the track is cloned.
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gswitz
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Re: Gain issue on cloned tracks - confirm?
2016/05/19 07:57:30
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This was reported like 5 years ago, I think. It's been this way for a really long time. It's such an easy work around, I never think of it. I can see it could really confuse someone who didn't know, but I know so it doesn't confuse me. This is also part of my standard workflow. I always have really big projects in which all the songs were recorded. I'm always copying 1 song at a time from the big projects to little projects so I can work on them independently. I usually twiddle gain nobs as soon as I get home after the gig to hear how all the tracks came out.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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IanPritchett
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Re: Gain issue on cloned tracks - confirm?
2016/08/21 02:27:05
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I just noticed i have this gain issue too. Any more info or a fix?
post edited by IanPritchett - 2016/08/21 02:50:30
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