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2005/01/14 01:30:02 (permalink)

Song: Color and Sound

Hi,
I wrote this a while back about a family member's battle
with a mood disorder and how it took its toll .. not sure what
to do with it ...

anyway, chaz mixed it up and did the drum programming. it's a nice
mix ... but the song .. i'm just not sure about it....

it's at: Color and Sound

as usual, Chaz did a very nice and balanced job on the mix .. i like what
he did with the rain stick .. i think that's cool ... we both agree that i should
re-track the bass .. lots of problems in there.. other than that .. i'm not sure
what else to do to it.. there's just something wrong with it... and i'm stuck
as to how to fix it.

thanks,
jeff

[ edit -- sorry about the bad link .. haste makes waste ]
< Message edited by jmarkham -- 1/14/2005 6:59:37 AM >
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    Rasmuth
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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 01:44:38 (permalink)
    bad link...

    http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=250426

    Everyone has a song inside, some of us choose to let it out.
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    michael japan
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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 02:17:44 (permalink)
    it takes me to jmarkham .com but no links to music or songs. I've tried to call you twice and left messages. Are you up?

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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 02:41:23 (permalink)
    Edited since Jeff fixed his link problem. This was only a temporary post.
    < Message edited by chaz -- 1/14/2005 6:42:00 PM >
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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 09:53:16 (permalink)
    my apologies .. should now be fixed ... i usually test the
    links via preview .. didn't do it this time ;-( anyway .. should work now.
    jeff
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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 10:17:29 (permalink)
    I listened to it a couple of times. To me the vocals are too punchy or staccato like. I'd retrack the vocals and smooth them out and lengthen them, maybe slow the song down a hair or two and put more length and feeling in the vocals. As it is now, it's very airy and whimsical feeling, not what I'd associate to a mood disorder, but more like kids playing. From 00:30 to 1:00ish is a good example of what I mean - needs more feeling, length, and emoton in the voice - I get the feeling that you're trying to get finished with the current phrase and on to the next phrase too quickly.

    Good song, do you have the lyrics posted anywhere?

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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 11:04:38 (permalink)
    You know Jeff, I know what you mean. I really like the song, but like Fred said, it doesn't relay the feeling of impending doom that one feels when experiencing a mood disorder.

    The melody is real nice. The lyrics just don't seem to match the mood of the melody.
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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 11:26:38 (permalink)
    Challenging subject to take on. I think the dreamy quality is actually very appropriate, the narrator is in kind of mellow fog, nothing too happy or sad (or whatever that line was). Another comment on smoothing the vocals, and as noted the bass is a little lumpy.

    I lost the thread a little: in the beginning, the SO, wakes and ask how will you be today; then latter it seems he's in an instution, waking, hoping the SO would be there, and yet not wish this on them. (Am I being to literal?)

    As you say it's hard to know what to do with this song. It's a part of reality that not many want to look at head on.
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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 12:08:32 (permalink)
    Just read the thread on criticism -- but I think you want constructive comments, right?

    Having read the above, I stopped very early in the song to say: the very first notes in the vocal part are too melodic, too rhythmic. The voice should 'fumble' and stumble into the verse, break the rhythm, use voice inflections, not melody, to get the song going. Now I'll listen to the rest ...

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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 12:14:58 (permalink)
    'cloudscapes resemble that same feeling I had yesterday' seems fit to a piano melody -- and seems a little clumsy in english. Variants: 'cloudscenes echo my yesterday' 'cloud formations paint my yesterday' 'clouds mock my yesterday' 'yesterday is here in clouds above' 'cumulus towers of my yesterday'

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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 12:18:49 (permalink)
    The chorus is strong, imo, in music and in concept. Perhaps you need two more collaborators, a lyricist and a singer. Not that your voice isn't good, but you are too wed to the tune. Random thoughts with best wishes, I think there is a lot in this song to keep developing. The title phrase, 'color and sound', perhaps could use both a little more space and a harmony vocal section.
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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 12:30:33 (permalink)
    fwblack and mwalter ...
    thanks .. i completely agree with your comments ... perhaps slowing it
    down and putting a little angst into the vox would help .. i'll try
    that .. otherwise i think i'll scrap this one and come at it another way.

    .. this is borderline coffee house .. so my apologies ...

    ed: .. i'll tell you the story and then maybe you can help me convey
    it a little better.. what i was trying to capture was what i observed
    from someone suffering from bipolar disorder and it got pretty
    debilitating and incredibly difficult for everybody around ... anyway,
    they got so depressed anything more than getting out of bed was
    tough .. plus they got really sensitive to light and sound .. noises
    and sunshine were just too much to deal with. they pretty much gave
    up on interacting with people .. and the SO had no idea what to do,
    tried to help .. but the guy wouldn't let her and pretty much pushed
    her away. .. then .. just about the time when they were going
    to separate .. his mood swung to the manic side ... and then he
    was just wild with enthusiasm .. and then couldn't get enough of
    people, bright colors, sunshine .. bought some pretty whacked out
    clothes .. etc. ... as an aside, i couldn't understand what was going
    on until i read "An Unquiet Mind" .. which is a brilliant book by
    someone suffering from this affliction.

    so in the song .. i took it right up to the point where he goes into the
    manic upswing .. and that was supposed to be the outtro. originally i had
    some other instrumention in the outtro to build up to a cacophony
    as it's fading out .. but structurally, you're not supposed to introduce
    new instrumentation on the way out .. so upon recommendation,
    i yanked em. maybe there's some other way to convey this.

    The "space" in the second verse is more of the mental space
    that they went into when they got put on medications. they stabilized
    a bit .. but the side-effects were that they became mentally
    very slow and had a 1000 yard stare .. zombie like i guess.

    so i approached this with a duality in mind .. since that's sort of the
    nature of the disorder .. but perhaps it just doesn't work ... and i'm
    ok with that ... i throw stuff away all the time ;-)

    thanks for your comments,
    jeff

    ps: if you anyone wishes to discuss the disease further, we may
    do so in the coffee house .. i'm after how to convey the story in
    song better.

    oh .. the lyrics:

    I fumble for the paper,
    Squint into the dawning day
    Cloudscapes resemble that same feeling
    I had yesterday
    And you awake and smile
    Then you ask "How will you be today?"
    The coffee cream and sugar
    Mix in blood once coursed together

    Chorus:
    Baby, I think I'm taking it down
    Letting it slip through
    Burn to the ground
    Maybe, you should think of yourself
    Think of tomorrow
    Sunlight abounds
    Color and Sound

    These medications are the only way
    I measure time
    They keep my mind safely tucked away
    From pain and pleasure
    If I could snap my fingers
    Wake up from the cold and gray
    And see your pretty face
    A silouhette against this place
    Maybe you could save me
    But I will not wish that on you

    Chorus:
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    gugliel
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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 12:41:03 (permalink)
    Another thing about the song, it only shows the depression side of 'bipolar disorder' (still have trouble calling that, having grown up with one of 'em). So if 'color and sound' is intended to be a hint of the other side, it doesn't come through in the music so far. I heard it as a kind of recognition from the depths of depression that there IS color, there IS sound, in the world and the SO ought to get out and away from the depressed person. Btw, you captured the medication perfectly in music; I got that immediately.

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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 12:50:43 (permalink)
    I like the lyrics in the 2nd verse much better than the 1st, just reading them the 2nd flows better (IMO). I've got a couple of songs that after finishing them (I thought) and playing them for a few weeks, I flipped the order of the verses and it worked much better. I wouldn't trash it, work on the 1st verse and music some and you'll have it. Maybe put it down for a while and then come back to it.

    Good luck,
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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 13:22:10 (permalink)
    thanks gugliel and fwblack,
    i edited lyrics of the first verse .. i didn't type
    them in exactly as i had recorded them .. so it's
    accurate now.
    i'll try and work on this one a little more .. i knew it
    was going to be a tough one to get across ... because
    it's cramming a very complex situation down into a
    small space...

    this has been a very helpful dialogue .. !

    jeff
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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 13:44:03 (permalink)
    Jeff,
    I get it now, I was listening to literally. I read the book you referenced, and had a childhood friend that went through this, so from that perspective, I think you got it captured well and with subtlety.
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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 13:57:41 (permalink)
    except that it doesn't work ;-) .. so i need to really think
    of how to pull it off ....

    jeff
    ps: where's your avatar pic located at?
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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 14:03:48 (permalink)
    where's your avatar pic located
    Valparaiso, Chile
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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 17:54:09 (permalink)
    Hey Jeff,
    Very pretty song! Well mixed and produced. Chaz does great work. How's I'm 4 You comming?
    Mitch
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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 19:41:15 (permalink)
    The song sounds fine, it's easy on the ear, but I don't really know the genre well enough.

    A straight-forward opinion on the lyrics though: V 2 is good; V 3 is good except for the word "medications"; and V 1 seems too "purple prose" and I think needs a rewrite.

    But it's not like I've made a living from songwriting or anything


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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/14 20:49:57 (permalink)
    But it's not like I've made a living from songwriting or anything

    Doesn't matter. All comments are welcomed and I know Jeff will appreciate yours just the same.
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    RE: Song: Color and Sound 2005/01/15 15:55:32 (permalink)
    exactly chaz .. sometimes you don't realize you're messing up until
    somebody points it out ..

    and mitch .. i'm gonna get back on I'm For You .. it just needs
    me to add the piano in .. and I wanted to wait until i got the
    Bosendorfer m290 .. (which mjapan turned me onto .. and it's
    awesome).

    thanks again for the critiques and thoughts...
    jeff
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