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2016/05/21 16:40:38 (permalink)

To be always online, or not to be

Now I've set up a laptop dedicated to music production, how much do I actually need to stay connected to the Internet?  SONAR updates and such are always announced, so does it make sense to only go online when I need to for things like that, or do other things happen behind the scenes that I'd need to stay connected at any given moment?

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/21 16:52:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jyoung60 2016/05/21 17:20:26
Both my desktop and laptop have the wi-fi turned off until I have a reason to be online. I always make sure that the first thing I do after getting online is update my antivirus software, then I proceed with whatever the task is for the moment. As soon as I am done I turn off the wi-fi.
This works for me because I never have been much of an internet user anyway. Besides, I have a nice tablet for that sort of browsing.

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/21 16:55:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jyoung60 2016/05/21 17:20:29
I disable connectivity until I need something. Just no reason to leave a dedicated DAW connected IMO.

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/21 17:04:29 (permalink)
My DAW has always been online, all the time, rarely had a problem in 10 years.  Maybe I'm just lucky. I need to be able to send and receive files to and from collaborators, and back up files to Box.net and I like to do that quickly and  easily (yes, you'll get your tracks tomorrow Ed..)
 
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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/21 17:09:43 (permalink)
You are going to get varied answers to this question.

My machine stays powered up and connected to the internet 24/7 via a Ethernet connection . Of course I have a firewall on the router itself and Malwarebytes on the PC. 
 
Microsoft release security patches ever second Tuesday of the month (Patch Tuesday). On the very rare occasion, Microsoft release security patches outside that cycle (out of band)

I just like to be able to, at the drop of a hat, check for any updates for any software that may be required without having to worry about reconnecting/disconnecting/reconnecting.  I just want the internet to be just their all the time.

I have never had an issue with Sonar Platinum with this configuration.

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/21 17:12:26 (permalink)
Thanks guys, just wanted to be sure before moving forward. It's actually kind of exciting to know I have an entire machine devoted just to making music. No conflicts with other software and apps, etc.  Not to mention I can leave the laptop in one place always hooked up and ready to go!

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/21 17:32:01 (permalink)
my DAW doubles as a Digital audio work station and a calculator
so I need to be online.
 
 

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/22 05:09:28 (permalink)
I'm with hockeyjx-  the only time my DAW is connected to the internet is when I need to download or update something.

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/22 05:38:33 (permalink)
All my DAWs and mixed systems have always been online all the time for the past fifteen years. I've never had it cause any problems. I too need the internet to send and receive files, mails, check for updates, look at tutorials or look up information. 
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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/22 07:09:52 (permalink)
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All my DAWs and mixed systems have always been online all the time for the past fifteen years. I've never had it cause any problems. I too need the internet to send and receive files, mails, check for updates, look at tutorials or look up information. 


same here, always online

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/22 07:15:12 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby jyoung60 2016/05/22 09:21:00
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I'm with hockeyjx-  the only time my DAW is connected to the internet is when I need to download or update something.


+1 with BJ and Hockey. If your PC is for music production only there is absolutely no reason to be online except when updating. Stops unnecessary and inconvenient OS updates amongst other things. I use various wireless controllers but just run a separate cheap portable wireless router for the studio that is not online.

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/22 13:52:37 (permalink)
You mean except for all the reasons we just posted? 
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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/22 14:06:11 (permalink)
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You mean except for all the reasons we just posted? 


 
Actually, tenfoot directly answered the question:
If your PC is for music production only there is absolutely no reason to be online except when updating.

 
That's what I wanted to know. Everyone else just said what they do that suits their purposes, which is nice to know but I have no need to know.
 
Not sure what your reply is supposed to accomplish, other than trying to make me feel stupid for asking?

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/22 14:52:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jyoung60 2016/05/22 15:34:53
jyoung60
 
Not sure what your reply is supposed to accomplish, other than trying to make me feel stupid for asking?



I think he was responding to my post jyoung60, though your sentiment still stands:)
 
Sanderxpander
You mean except for all the reasons we just posted? 


All of the reasons listed involve the pc being used for purposes other than music production (email etc). Jyoung60 has a dedicated music production workstation. I have always had an offline sudio PC and believe there are many advantages to this. You are of course welcome to your own opinion.  Your comment seems to indicate you perhaps don't always extend this same courtesy to others
 

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/22 14:59:04 (permalink)
Always connected here. Absolutely no issues.

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/22 16:09:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jyoung60 2016/05/22 16:53:25
The bottom line is why run the risk when there's no need to?
 
I understand that many people stay connected 24/7 for lots of valid reasons.
None of these apply to me hence my decision to remain offline until I need to be online.
 

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/22 16:59:24 (permalink)
Haha sorry guys, I did not mean to offend, perhaps my wording was a little too sarcastic. But I feel that sending and receiving stems or mixes, updating/maintaining programs and looking up information or tutorials are normal parts of DAW use (of course I mean they are for me). While it is of course  possible to do these things through another separate online system, that's at the very least more time consuming and so for me a very valid reason to keep a DAW online, especially since I've personally never run into any of the mysterious issues that offline DAW users tend to warn about. On the other hand we often get people in here complaining how cumbersome it is that certain software doesn't authorize offline easily because they keep their system offline.
 
To each their own, I won't pretend that the Internet isn't potentially a dangerous place if the other side won't pretend that being online is pretty convenient. 
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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/22 17:26:05 (permalink)
I can right click and enable my adapter to be online in less than 10 seconds. I'm not skerrred of bad things happening, I'm just taking a potential reason the DAW may have a hiccup out of the loop.

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/22 20:13:37 (permalink)
To be clear, I'm probably the least paranoid Internet user in the world, so working offline has no basis in fear. :)
 
My main reason for wanting to work offline is what others have already said, to avoid interruptions or sluggishness due to automatic updates, firewall/anti-virus software, etc.
 
The one fear I did have was preventing any online-based activity that SONAR needs for whatever reasons might exist.  But apparently there's no need to worry about that, so it's all good.
 
Thanks again for everyone's input.

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/22 23:23:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2016/05/22 23:48:41
While staying online is not going to a problem for most users, that doesn't mean it can't be.
 
If your network connection is over wi-fi, you should switch it off when not needed. Wi-fi is notorious for incurring excessive DPC overhead that can result in dropouts. Disabling wi-fi shouldn't cause any problems. But for wired connections, disabling the network can lead to problems with plugins whose licenses are tied to the network adapter's MAC address. 


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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/22 23:41:07 (permalink)
It is also good practice to check your msconfig setup. In addition to the computer pinging (Automatic Network Discovery being the primary offender), software which loads on boot (or has been opened by you) can tend to do handshaking in the background (update ping, validations, etc.).
 
Pretty much all of that can be disabled, but it is not simple or intuitive in many cases. The simplest solution (especially for those that do not want to deal with such rigamarole) is not to be connected when running in "DAW mode" since most of these lie dormant until a port is active for use.
 
Dave's comment about licenses is also a valid one, which may also come into play depending on what you have installed.

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/23 00:01:59 (permalink)
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To each their own, I won't pretend that the Internet isn't potentially a dangerous place if the other side won't pretend that being online is pretty convenient. 



I don't think anyone here has a tin foil hat fear if being online. My studio and daw are not 'air gapped'. Should I need to be online it takes the push of a single button to do so. That's a pretty low bar of inconvenience:)
 
 

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/23 02:30:13 (permalink)
Good points all. I've simply never run into problems across at least eight systems in the last fifteen years. While that of course is statistically irrelevant, it has never given me any reason to be anything but online and I find it useful for all the reasons stated.
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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/23 04:03:51 (permalink)
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I can right click and enable my adapter to be online in less than 10 seconds. I'm not skerrred of bad things happening, I'm just taking a potential reason the DAW may have a hiccup out of the loop.


Somewhat similar here, I just plug in my USB Wi-Fi dongle and let it connect - takes about 10 seconds.

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/23 15:22:05 (permalink)
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I'm with hockeyjx-  the only time my DAW is connected to the internet is when I need to download or update something.


 
I am with him also.

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/23 15:25:04 (permalink)
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I'm with hockeyjx-  the only time my DAW is connected to the internet is when I need to download or update something.


 I am with him also.



As am I.

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/23 15:35:34 (permalink)
I use desktops, use CAT cable instead of wifi. Life is great.  If I were using a laptop, keep it offline when doing DAW stuff.

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Re: To be always online, or not to be 2016/05/23 15:56:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jyoung60 2016/05/23 17:17:27
The great thing about being off line with your audio machine is you can disable many processes that may be taking up memory and CPU use. Antivirus programs. Some of these things can go into scan mode and almost take over your (C and others) hard drives.  The only process that should really be running on your music computer are those processes involved with that and nothing else.
 
My audio machine boots up with no firewall, virus checker or anything. I have to turn all those things on before I get started (updating virus checkers first with latest viruses etc) and like many it is only to update or authorise something. Then I turn them all off again and keep working.
 
For those who like keeping their computers on line ZoneAlarm has a great feature that lets you completely disable your computer from the net by a simple click.  It is like a switch and removes your machine from being on line.  Great for going away from it for long periods etc.  It only takes one click to go back on again.
 
For those who have had trouble free time on line that is great and you have been lucky.  I have been attacked by things in the middle of important paid projects where audio settings and the registry even got hacked and changed. And major music things broke as well. Forcing you to waste sometimes days getting your computer back to normal operation.

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