Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive

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2016/05/28 07:40:12 (permalink)

Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive

Prompted by Bitflipper's woes I have just purchased a 6TB Western Digital MyCloud NAS drive which will be in a different building to my computers.
 
I have always used Acronis to make a C drive image and file backups of data to USB drives.
 
I am wondering if anyone has any experience with Western Digital backup software. At the moment I an considering continuing with Acronis on the USB drives and using WD's software for the NAS drive so I have two backups in different formats.

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    fireberd
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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/05/28 08:52:53 (permalink)
    The WD backup software I've seen is a custom version Acronis. 
     
    My own experience with Acronis True Image has not been good.  It failed me twice trying to do restores from "verified" backups.  It didn't get a third chance and I now use Macrium Reflect (paid version).
     
     

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/05/28 12:57:12 (permalink)
    Another vote for macrium Reflect here.  Free version.  Cloned a C drive with three partitions to a new larger drive keeping the same three partitions.  Worked.  I'm going to do it again and clone the same C drive to an SSD.  Next week.  Will report the results.
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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/05/28 13:16:07 (permalink)
    I would use "Image" rather than "Clone" for the SSD.  When you clone a drive you get everything, the good data and bad data/sectors.  With an Image you just get the "good" data.
     
    I tried clone (before I knew what it did) on a new Samsung EVO 850, 500GB SSD when I switched from a conventional hard drive (Win 8.1).  I used the cloning program provided by Samsung and it failed.  I tried the clone in Macrium Reflect and it failed.  I tried two other cloning programs and it failed.  I did an Image (all disc partitions) of the drive and restored to the new SSD and worked perfectly.   We had a discussion about Clone on the Windows 7 forum with a couple of the "gurus" there.  Conclusion was Clone is a hit or miss - works for some and not for others.

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/05/28 14:12:06 (permalink)
    fireberd
    I would use "Image" rather than "Clone" for the SSD.  When you clone a drive you get everything, the good data and bad data/sectors.  With an Image you just get the "good" data....



    Plus, with clone you need a free partition.  Even it it worked 100% of the time, seems like wasted space IMO, as opposed to images, which you can "collect" in a folder.

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/05/29 14:01:10 (permalink)
    Thanks. I will look into Macrium. I like the idea of haveing two backup using two independent software packages, one on the NAS drive and one on a USB drive. If the WD software is basically Acronis there will be less redundancy.
     
     

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/05/30 10:06:57 (permalink)
    Add me to the list of happy Macrium users. I too had a nasty experience with Acronis. Never again.
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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/05/30 10:49:07 (permalink)
    Any experience with the Windows 10 tools - someone is asking here http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3425130
     

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/05/30 16:47:19 (permalink)
    Never had problems with Acronis. 

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/05/31 16:33:46 (permalink)
    I have the demo of Macrium installed.  At first glance it looks pretty good at images if a little more complex that Arcronis, I need to investigate the folder/file backup further, I will be checking the videos on their website.
     
    I am running a image of the 1TB drive with my Kontakt libraries to the NAS drive overnight to see how it goes. Says it will take 15 hours.
     
    Do you use it just for drive images, or for file backups as well. Any opinions on Incremental / Differential backups? I usually made fresh backups each time with Acronis.

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/06/01 02:39:37 (permalink)
    An image is a good strategy to back up a working system (OS and installed programs), but a bad strategy to back up data. You are committing everything to a proprietary format in a huge file, both of which introduce a significant possibility of data loss. There are plenty of backup programs that will copy your data files in native format (windows readable), that will put only the individual file at risk, rather than the whole bundle. With the very large hard drives available now, the need to compress backups is largely history. A huge drive, like a huge file, can represent a lot of data loss if it fails. So long as it is just a backup (i. e. there exists another secure copy of the file somewhere else) that is not a major problem. But if you are using the drive for primary, albeit off the system, storage, then a couple of smaller drives may make more sense. The disk imaging system introduced in Win7 is still available in Win10 if you want to use that, although Microsoft seems to be less enthusiastic about it these days.
     
    http://www.pcworld.com/article/3011736/windows/how-to-create-an-image-backup-in-windows-10-and-restore-it-if-need-be.html
     
    Also note that NAS drives are specifically designed to work in an NAS environment, where it is assumed that they are part of a fault tolerant array. In practical terms that means that they will retry reads on questionable sectors fewer times than a desktop drive, on the assumption that the same data can be recovered more rapidly by failing the drive and getting it from another mirrored drive or using a parity drive. A drive designed for desktop use is less likely to result in data loss if used as an individual outside a RAID system.
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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/06/01 05:29:44 (permalink)
    Another thoughts crossed my mind. My Kontakt libraries folder only changes if I add a new library, or create a new NKI, that being the case it would be relatively easy to maintain a duplicate set of folders on another drive.

    More frequently changing data like my Sonar projects would be better with backup software.

    Regardless I have sold myself on two totally independent backups in method, drive and location.

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/06/01 06:09:18 (permalink)
    For kontakt libraries, play libraries and vsl libraries I use this tool

    https://sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/

    Its better than synctoy and works over a network.

    So I backup my sample drives to another computer and so far no problems. After first sync it only copies or removes the changes... Very efficient. This prog also makes a copy of my quickload folders too!!

    Only thing I'd like is to make an image of my c drive.. Just in case windows 10 corrupts itself again.... So was wondering is windows 10 image tool reliable?

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/06/01 06:53:01 (permalink)
    Elffin
    For kontakt libraries, play libraries and vsl libraries I use this tool

    https://sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/

    Its better than synctoy and works over a network.
    Thanks, I will try that!

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/06/03 17:14:12 (permalink)
    I use Acronis with USB and both WD & Seagate NAS drives.
     
     

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/06/04 11:44:01 (permalink)
    Elffin
    For kontakt libraries, play libraries and vsl libraries I use this tool

    https://sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/

    While this seems to be exactly what I need the AV on my Internet Computer (Bullguard) does not like it at all.
    It stopped the install some way saying it had blocked an infected file uninstaller.exe.
     
    The download button on the link above just downloads a text file, so I went to the website link halfway down the page. http://www.freefilesync.org/download.php - First issue was a bunch of pop-up ads for a program called "GoodFileSync" with down load buttons, when I downloaded what appears to be the correct file <FreeFileSync_8.2_Windows_Setup.exe> I get the messages from Bullguard.
     
    Any ideas, confirmed false positive, hijacked link? Anyway its going no where near my DAW for the moment.
     
     

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/06/05 13:25:13 (permalink)
    Just an update - I had started another thread in software about FreeFileSync. http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3429081 Seems there is a lot of bloat installed with the program unless you are careful but there are some satisfied customers. I am wary of it.
     
    I tried SyncToy and it seems to be working fine so for the time being at least my backup stategy is.
    • C: drive images using Acronis, independently to the USB drive and the NAS drive and retaining one or two previous images.
    • Acronis File backups for libraries, projects etc. to the USB drive.
    • Data folder mirrors on the NAS drive kept in sync with SyncToy.
    • Acronis file backups (in addition to the mirror) on the NAS drive for the most critical data.
    I figure that while the mirror is slower and takes more space it is not dependent on any software and not commiting all the data to one huge file.
     
     
     

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/06/07 08:09:08 (permalink)
    I only back up data not the entire system.  If I loose a system disk, I get a new one and start over with a clean install.  Yes, it is a pain, but it does tend to clean up the system after years of fiddling!

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/06/07 09:17:57 (permalink)
    patm300e
    I only back up data not the entire system.  If I loose a system disk, I get a new one and start over with a clean install.  Yes, it is a pain, but it does tend to clean up the system after years of fiddling!


    There is value in that but a disk image will get you up and running a lot faster should disaster strike when you in the middle of a project.

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/06/07 12:58:25 (permalink)
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    patm300e
    I only back up data not the entire system.  If I loose a system disk, I get a new one and start over with a clean install.  Yes, it is a pain, but it does tend to clean up the system after years of fiddling!

    There is value in that but a disk image will get you up and running a lot faster should disaster strike when you in the middle of a project.



    That is definitely true and if I was recording as a business, I would definitely go a different route and maybe even have a "standby machine" ready.  Since I am a mere hobbyist (yes I have SPLAT I like toys!), I can afford the down time.  My deadlines are non existent!  I wish I was smart enough and good enough to do this for a living...but I am not.

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    Re: Acronis v Western Digital -> NAS drive 2016/06/07 13:05:26 (permalink)
    FWIW
     
    In Windows 10, There's the built-in 'Windows 7' backup, plus there's the File History feature too. No real need to purchase another backup program. 
     
    I'm using both File History, as well as Windows image backup Both are set to use an external USB3 drive. All bases covered. No muss, no fuss, no fuzzing around.

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