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2016/06/05 21:27:34 (permalink)

Automate VST effect ON/OFF?

I've wondered about this for years and now am at a point where I need to turn a VST effect on at a certain point in the song and then have it remember that so when I rewind it's off and then comes on at the point where it's needed...I've automated volume and pan a bunch in the past, but never could figure out why that little blue on/off button on all your fx in the fx bins doesn't react to write automation? Something so simple...
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Re: Automate VST effect ON/OFF? 2016/06/06 02:50:48 (permalink)
At least, this was the situation some years ago. I don't think it has changed:
On/off automatibility is VST dependent. AFAIK most VSTs don't support it. I don't know why.
The workaround is automating the actual VST settings between neutral/desired settings or using a send and automating that.
 

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Re: Automate VST effect ON/OFF? 2016/06/06 03:15:33 (permalink)
Kalle Rantaaho
At least, this was the situation some years ago. I don't think it has changed:
On/off automatibility is VST dependent. AFAIK most VSTs don't support it. I don't know why.
The workaround is automating the actual VST settings between neutral/desired settings or using a send and automating that.



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Re: Automate VST effect ON/OFF? 2016/06/06 07:44:04 (permalink)
You could also, put the effect on a send and automate the send.

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Re: Automate VST effect ON/OFF? 2016/06/06 08:05:26 (permalink)
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You could also, put the effect on a send and automate the send.




 
I tried that. The effect is not as pronounced as it is as having it right on the original track. I'm stunned something this simple cannot be automated ON/OFF on the track!
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Re: Automate VST effect ON/OFF? 2016/06/06 08:07:40 (permalink)
You could also duplicate the track.  Insert the VST on one, and then delete the unwanted sections of both tracks.

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Re: Automate VST effect ON/OFF? 2016/06/06 08:19:13 (permalink)
Or use the clip FX bins or if the plug-in has a VST3 format version use it or find a VST3 replacement. VST3 plug-ins have a host bypass function.
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Re: Automate VST effect ON/OFF? 2016/06/06 08:31:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Slugbaby 2016/06/06 09:07:48
This may not be the same for what you need. But close to it, what I do is 'split' the clip at the point you need the effect. Then, 'insert' the VST "only" on the split clip.
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Re: Automate VST effect ON/OFF? 2016/06/06 08:31:33 (permalink)
Sorry, Duplicate
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Re: Automate VST effect ON/OFF? 2016/06/06 09:33:54 (permalink)
You can do this with some of the FX.... I recall playing around with automating the FX..... it involves using an envelope to control the on/off and doing it with midi. I had to set up a midi track, insert an envelope and link it to the FX in the audio track.  Seemed like a lot of work to turn something on and off.
 
The easier way is to simply clone the track.... place the FX in it at the level you want, and use volume envelopes to switch between the 2 tracks. Zoom in to set the envelope on in one track and off in the other at the same exact time.  If the track is... for example a guitar or a vocal, it's really easy to get those edit points spot on.  Make the envelopes switch in the pause between the phrases.
 
I find this method to be so much easier and quicker to implement than the time it takes to set up the midi control envelope and link it properly to the FX in question.

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Re: Automate VST effect ON/OFF? 2016/06/06 09:53:31 (permalink)
Why do they make you jump thru hoops to do something so dead simple as write automation for an effect turn ON/OFF? ...Turn on write automation for the track...When the time comes ...'click' , to turn effect ON...when the time comes 'click'...turn it OFF. Press stop when your done and turn off write automation for the track. as easy as pan or volume!...I don't get why it shouldn't be as simple as that..
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Re: Automate VST effect ON/OFF? 2016/06/06 21:26:14 (permalink)
Do as Scook said. far less 'hoops' than dealing with envelopes or separate tracks.

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Re: Automate VST effect ON/OFF? 2016/06/07 10:48:38 (permalink)
Jeff is correct - Ableton Live also lets you do this with any plugin. Weird - I just did it myself for the first time in a project this weekend. :)
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Re: Automate VST effect ON/OFF? 2016/06/07 20:00:53 (permalink)
You could try putting the effect in an FX Chain and automating its on/off button. However the last time I tried this in the ProChannel I found that the automation would only be read if the ProChannel in question was open in the console. When I reported the bug on the forum someone from Cake said that there was no plans to fix it because doing so would break a whole bunch of other stuff. Definitely an area of Sonar which needs some love....

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Re: Automate VST effect ON/OFF? 2016/06/09 07:31:37 (permalink)
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Do as Scook said. far less 'hoops' than dealing with envelopes or separate tracks.




still tho, the most obvious answer has GOT to be , simply treat the on/off button on the FX as if it were the pan or volume knobs/faders and the 'too simple' act of write automation that they are able to use so easily, right? And we're talking about this was with one of cakewalks own software fx!
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Re: Automate VST effect ON/OFF? 2016/06/10 18:45:53 (permalink)
The way I always do it....I slide the effect output to off with automation turned on. For example, say I'm using like a Sonitus delay and want my vocals to have delay in certain spots.
 
I turn on automation, select the level I want the delay to be at, press play and then just turn the effect output slider to 0 in the passage where I don't want delay.
 
Then while still playing back, hit "undo" to bring it back to my delay level I want, then hit undo and it will go back to 0. Press stop and my automation is complete. If there is something I need to fix, I go back and adjust the nodes accordingly. Sometimes I rehearse my "undo" procedure to get it down tight. Other times I nail it on the first try. It's not the ideal way to do things, but it works perfectly for me. :)
 
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