chuckebaby
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sound stacking drums
Okay been a couple years since I started my own thread but here goes...
I sound stack my drums (kick and snare) to beef up the sound.
what I do now is use autosnap or Melodyne to get the midi track of just the kick (or snare)
once copy the midi notes for the kick to a midi track, I then use this midi track to trigger session drummer or rapture, Dim Pro. I then freeze the sample and copy it to an audio track.
is there an easier way to do this ?
I mean I have the midi notes, I have the kick sample.
seems like a lot of steps to produce 1 sample track.
However id like to add that IF there is not an easier way to do this...
then im still grateful for the technology today to be able to do this in the first place,
thanks everyone.
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/14 11:07:47
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Would drum replacer be better.
I've not used it for awhile, but would have thought it was your best bet.
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scook
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/14 11:08:32
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Wouldn't the drum replacer handle most of that? It would take creating custom sfz files for the samples. Or use the sfz files created for the current solution.
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/14 11:08:54
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Drag a clip from an audio track to a midi track that has it's output set to a vsti. How could it get any easier? That's a little over simplified, you may need to fine tune the midi notes in the prv but wow.....this is so convenient. Thank you Cake and Celemony for living in harmony and making the world a better place.  Rocky
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/14 11:11:53
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scook
Wouldn't the drum replacer handle most of that? It would take creating custom sfz files for the samples. Or use the sfz files created for the current solution.
I have used Drum Replacer for something's but it doesn't handle velocity's well. it takes a long time to fine tune the Filter + Interval knobs. not as much as if I use audiosnap or Melodyne. im guessing its probably the same engine, im not sure why but its just not as effective. *Jb101, thanks man ;-)
post edited by chuckebaby - 2016/06/14 11:33:37
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/14 11:14:21
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Drag a clip from an audio track to a midi track that has it's output set to a vsti. How could it get any easier? That's a little over simplified, you may need to fine tune the midi notes in the prv but wow.....this is so convenient. Thank you Cake and Celemony for living in harmony and making the world a better place.
Rocky
this is typically what im doing. creating the midi notes is not the problem. its loading up a synth for 1 sample. thank you though.
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/14 11:58:10
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Chuck , it really does sound like you are doing it the hard way if you are using melodyne or audio snap,
-generate a drum vst, with a sample or whole kit you like
-create the drum replacer region , fine tune , the filter
( maybe I was lucky but this did not take long on the kick track)
-drag the region to the vst track ( you may have to change midi note)
-blend to taste.
Just wanted to make sure you were understanding what Rocky was saying.
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/14 12:42:24
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I usually just clone the original midi track, delete all the drums other than the snare and kick, and then load up another VST to play those two drums. Takes no time at all.
Alternatively I use AD2, and they have "Flex" kit pieces that can be linked to either snare or kick. I always use two snares and two kicks there, and it sound huge.
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/14 16:32:13
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David
Chuck , it really does sound like you are doing it the hard way if you are using melodyne or audio snap,
-generate a drum vst, with a sample or whole kit you like
-create the drum replacer region , fine tune , the filter
( maybe I was lucky but this did not take long on the kick track)
-drag the region to the vst track ( you may have to change midi note)
-blend to taste.
Just wanted to make sure you were understanding what Rocky was saying.
too inconsistent. drum replacer is great for replacing drums with all the same dynamics / velocity's. but when your drums are soft in one part, a little louder in another, then louder in another, there are many dynamics to be reasoned. the second you drop the Decibel line to pick up the lower DB drum, it starts picking up everything, you can fine tune the filter but there's only so much it can do. again, my issue is not with the "creating a midi track". its loading up the sampler for 1 kick sample. the filter on DR might be great for one type of dynamic, but not for 5 different types. see what I mean ? thank you for your advise. I mean that.
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/14 16:33:59
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sven450
I usually just clone the original midi track, delete all the drums other than the snare and kick, and then load up another VST to play those two drums. Takes no time at all.
Alternatively I use AD2, and they have "Flex" kit pieces that can be linked to either snare or kick. I always use two snares and two kicks there, and it sound huge.
that's what I do too. it doesn't take too much time, though that can be debated :-) looks like im doing what every one else is.
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/14 17:35:31
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In BFD, you can stack drums within the BFD page.
Only problem is they come up on the same track so you cannot treat them differently with EQ and/or Dynamics
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/15 03:45:34
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I pretty much do what you already do too Chuck. The upside of loading a vsti (I use superior drummer) is that you have amazing control over velocity curves, mics etc to chase down the sound you want. Worth the extra time IMHO:)
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/15 04:08:56
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☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2016/06/15 06:14:55
Yeah, AudioSnap is the way to go for this kind of thing, unless you use something like Drumagog (which is excellent but fiddly because the threshold detection needs to be automated. This is why Drum Replacer isn't a viable option yet, as you've discovered). AudioSnap lets you convert to MIDI which gives you ultimate control and easy editing with the MIDI data, rather than screwing around with trying to mask missed or double audio hits. I talk about it a bit in this thread: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3388461
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/15 06:01:05
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Lord Tim
Yeah, AudioSnap is the way to go for this kind of thing, unless you use something like Drumagog (which is excellent but fiddly because the threshold detection needs to be automated. This is why Drum Replacer isn't a viable option yet, as you've discovered). AudioSnap lets you convert to MIDI which gives you ultimate control and easy editing with the MIDI data, rather than screwing around with trying to mask missed or double audio hits.
I talk about it a bit in this thread: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3388461
that's a good thread tim, a good read too (your post).
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/15 07:07:51
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Cheers, man - lots of great discussion from everyone in there, I think :)
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/15 08:06:29
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Slate Digital Trigger is another option but limited to Slate's samples which are awesome but not free. Xln's Addictive Trigger is pretty cool as well and works with any AD Paks you already own.
Rocky
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/06/15 08:45:01
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Wasn't there another cheap (free?) one called APTrigger? I don't think it was as feature rich as Drumagog from memory, but would do the job with sample stacking quite fine.
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/07/01 14:49:14
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the more I play with drum replacer, the more I begin to like it.
it isn't as accurate as I would like as some hits seem harder then others
(even with the dynamics knob cranked off 0%)
but its been doing the job as of late. the more I get used to it, the more I see. the more I likey.
I have to say between Vocal synch, Melodyne and Drum Replacer, those 3 are in my "go to"
fix it maintenance tool box.
Dim pro also has some nice samples included that ive been freezing / copying to another track.
thanks to all for the great advise.
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/07/01 16:04:09
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Wouldn't the drum replacer handle most of that? It would take creating custom sfz files for the samples. Or use the sfz files created for the current solution.
I've found Drum Replacer to be unreliable and basic.
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Re: sound stacking drums
2016/07/01 23:10:31
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Wouldn't the drum replacer handle most of that? It would take creating custom sfz files for the samples. Or use the sfz files created for the current solution.
I've found Drum Replacer to be unreliable and basic.
that's what I was alluding to in my earlier posts but after spending more time with it, im not sure there is a better detection software out there than DR. if you have any suggestions im all ears.
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