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Re: PRV Not Remembering To Remain Full Screen 2016/07/07 12:35:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2016/07/07 21:35:47

A current thought given by a few other helpful users here in this thread is to leave that window minimized instead of closed. I'm not thrilled at leaving it that way, but I will investigate this later today... I'm mostly wondering how this will respond when calling different clips/tracks... I will not be able to work with it opening separate instances for each PRV call...


It can be better than this, but thats in Bakers hands. While docked in multidock there is no problem at all. Always d and shift+D does the workflow perfect. I love to keep the PRV all full without anything else in view. I love to work with midi that way. Initially I had trouble as well. But keeping it minimized works like a charm. Initially I was also hesistant to do that coz I hated to see a small minimized window's title bar at the corner. But this is the best workarround till now. Its very easy to get used to. No you wont get multiple windows when you open different clips. The previous midi events will be replaced with the new clip events, as always! When you keep it minimised and open someting, what you opened will be opened in the minimised window. You just have to click D after that. Keeping it minimized is easier than closing PRV every time. You will have to search for the close button and click it. Insteed just click D it will get minimized and stay there. When you have to open it again Click D. Quite easy. Think like this, the undocked minimized multidock window is your second screen everything you open goes there. Just like how you have to turn your head to look at the other window, press D. To turn back to your first screen press D. I am pretty happy having it like this. Do see if it suits your workflow.
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Re: PRV Not Remembering To Remain Full Screen 2016/07/07 14:18:08 (permalink)
Thanks sonarman1...

Yeah, it appears this is the closest I can come to what I used to have... Again a step backward to accommodate some new addition/change to Sonar...

I think this one was out of their (Bakers) hands though as my preferred method works fine in win7...

One of my big joys with Sonar over the years was the many ways we were allowed to work. It seems that in the search for new, we continue to lose some of the joys of the past...

Sad, but I guess inevitable....

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Re: PRV Not Remembering To Remain Full Screen 2016/07/07 21:29:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby sonarman1 2016/07/08 07:12:57
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A current thought given by a few other helpful users here in this thread is to leave that window minimized instead of closed. I'm not thrilled at leaving it that way, but I will investigate this later today... I'm mostly wondering how this will respond when calling different clips/tracks... I will not be able to work with it opening separate instances for each PRV call...


It can be better than this, but thats in Bakers hands. While docked in multidock there is no problem at all. Always d and shift+D does the workflow perfect. I love to keep the PRV all full without anything else in view. I love to work with midi that way. Initially I had trouble as well. But keeping it minimized works like a charm. Initially I was also hesistant to do that coz I hated to see a small minimized window's title bar at the corner. But this is the best workarround till now. Its very easy to get used to. No you wont get multiple windows when you open different clips. The previous midi events will be replaced with the new clip events, as always! When you keep it minimised and open someting, what you opened will be opened in the minimised window. You just have to click D after that. Keeping it minimized is easier than closing PRV every time. You will have to search for the close button and click it. Insteed just click D it will get minimized and stay there. When you have to open it again Click D. Quite easy. Think like this, the undocked minimized multidock window is your second screen everything you open goes there. Just like how you have to turn your head to look at the other window, press D. To turn back to your first screen press D. I am pretty happy having it like this. Do see if it suits your workflow.

+1
this is exactly how I work as well.
 
I tend to use screensets more because I have my different midi tracks set up for different views.
Example: I don't need to double click on clips because screensets remembers the track im on.
so screenset #5 is full screen PRV for piano midi track
screenset # is full screen PRV for synth midi track
screenset #6 is full screen PRV for drums midi track
screenset #7 is full screen PRV for flute midi track
and so on and so on.
 
but when im working with more than 5 or 6 midi tracks, or im working fast on the fly,
I use SHIFT+D to fully expand the dock to MAX height.
then I just use D to show it / hide it.
 
this gives me full view of track view and full view of PRV.
I double click on a midi track to show that track in the PRV.
I find these methods very productive and after a few, it becomes second nature.
 
it reminds me of when I first learned how to use the PRV years ago.
before DAW's, I used to program drum on an Alesis SR-16. that was a process all on its own.
then when I started using a DAW (Cakewalk Pro Audio 9) I was hesitant to use the PRV.
instead I elected to import / or connect my drum machine to sonar to control via midi.
this worked for a long time until I became curious if my methods were less productive then
accepting a change and using the PRV to write my parts out.
 
well the process was slow, it took a long time for me to get used to drawing notes, placing them in the right places.
a few times I got so frustrated I almost packed it up and went back to using the drum machine.
but you know what ? it finally paid off. after about 2 months I began writing drum notes faster than I ever could using the drum machine and even more of a bonus, I could manipulate things in PRV like I never could on a drum machine.
 
sometimes change is forced, sometimes change is voluntary. but one thing is for sure,
 
change is enviable.
 

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Re: PRV Not Remembering To Remain Full Screen 2016/07/08 06:58:17 (permalink)
Screenset's are really amazing way to get all possible different views, in all possible ways you prefer. Me mostly don't get the patience to set them up. Sometime end up confused 
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Re: PRV Not Remembering To Remain Full Screen 2016/07/08 07:08:19 (permalink)
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Screenset's are really amazing way to get all possible different views, in all possible ways you prefer. Me mostly don't get the patience to set them up. Sometime end up confused 


I totally here Ya man.
I created all my screensets once. now every time I open a new project, I simply import them.
so rather then setting them up every time. I just click on the screensets menu and choose "Import screensets".
 
To me, screensets are like the PRV. it took a while to learn and set up (not as long as PRV :-)
but the rewards paid off.
 
my list of screen sets include:
-PRV views
-Automation view (large TV with smaller track headers)
-Bus View (one of TV, one of CV)
-Narrow tracks CV
-Full view CV
 
there are more as well.
the thing I appreciate about SS is their ability to remember certain settings.
80% of the time I start my projects with a custom made template.
the screensets are included in the template. so for those projects,
I don't need to import them.
 

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Re: PRV Not Remembering To Remain Full Screen 2016/07/08 08:44:27 (permalink)
Gotta spend some time with it. IMO its the thing Sonar specializes on, I could make my custom templates of everything from project, tracks templates, synth track templates, Or  track template with a bunch of tracks with FX, colour, folder, routing, bus, sends and everything. That is so awesome. It doesnt stop there, fx chains, screensets, custom control bar, plugin menu layout presets, what not it goes on...  
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Re: PRV Not Remembering To Remain Full Screen 2016/07/08 12:07:28 (permalink)
Yes... Change is inevitable and sometimes the changes turn out for the better... Other times not.

I've been doing midi in the style of PRV even before the first iteration of Cakewalk (I used Texture which had something similar though it used pattern based construction).

My midi track needs vary too much for me to feel comfortable with screensets for each. I use my own set of screensets for things such as my main screen with fully exposed controls and remaining space for clips, another to maximize clip view for arrangement needs, another for Console view, etc... It's been working very well...

For the moment I can work with having PRV in multidock though still a tad less fully functional (for me) and when the need arises manually change to floating full screen....

We're all old enough to understand the inevitability of change and the need to adapt, but all change is not beneficial to all people in all situations...

In Cakewalk's early days, one of its biggest joys was the multitude of work models available and there still is, but some things are being lost along the way... Some out of the Bakers control as well...

It took me quite some time to adapt to the many issues with Lanes as I was more comfortable with Layers... I've stopped ****ing about it, but I continue to ask for a few more adjustments on issues that slow my work...

This is just another... I am grateful for the many advances in Sonar...

Thinking of changing from old gear, I come from the days before any kind of sequencer and I specialized in synth work for many big name artists... Much of my work was with hardware sequencers (the arp sequencer comes to mind) and I quickly abandoned that in favor of more linear and "musical" methods as we now have... I was glad to leave that method behind and I cringe when I need to use such for a client, but I still do when necessary...

We each find our own methods of accomplishing our tasks... Sometimes easier than others... There is no better, only what we feel better about, eh? ;-)

Thanks for all the assistance and ideas...

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Re: PRV Not Remembering To Remain Full Screen 2016/07/08 13:16:41 (permalink)
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We're all old enough to understand the inevitability of change and the need to adapt, but all change is not beneficial to all people in all situations...



I totally agree.
We all work in different ways. I produce Hard Rock, Alternative music (which is a dying breed).
So my ways of working may not apply to yours, someone else's.
 
When Cakewalk has made changes, I've done my best to adapt.
no matter how much cussing I've done under my breath
I've tried to become a chameleon.
 
unfortunately in this situation with the PRV...your going to have to change colors bro.
 
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Re: PRV Not Remembering To Remain Full Screen 2016/07/08 14:41:46 (permalink)
We do work in similar genres.... But I don't feel that's the issue here...

Yes, again I will shift though right now it is a step backward as I find no advantages to this change at all... Yet? ;-)

As always, I/we find ways to get what we need regardless of how!

More important to me than this particular issue is the zoom limitations for Lanes, so I'm choosing to pick my battle and continue there... As I've said earlier I think this issue is actually OS based and out of the Bakers' hands...

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Re: PRV Not Remembering To Remain Full Screen 2016/07/08 15:17:03 (permalink)
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We do work in similar genres.... But I don't feel that's the issue here...

Yes, again I will shift though right now it is a step backward as I find no advantages to this change at all... Yet? ;-)

As always, I/we find ways to get what we need regardless of how!

More important to me than this particular issue is the zoom limitations for Lanes, so I'm choosing to pick my battle and continue there... As I've said earlier I think this issue is actually OS based and out of the Bakers' hands...

I believe your correct. I think it is OS based (it worked in Windows 7 and possibly 8)
but lets hope they are reading and get inspired by some of your posts (to incorporate the feature).

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Re: PRV Not Remembering To Remain Full Screen 2016/07/08 16:14:37 (permalink)
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We do work in similar genres.... But I don't feel that's the issue here...

Yes, again I will shift though right now it is a step backward as I find no advantages to this change at all... Yet? ;-)

As always, I/we find ways to get what we need regardless of how!

More important to me than this particular issue is the zoom limitations for Lanes, so I'm choosing to pick my battle and continue there... As I've said earlier I think this issue is actually OS based and out of the Bakers' hands...

I believe your correct. I think it is OS based (it worked in Windows 7 and possibly 8)
but lets hope they are reading and get inspired by some of your posts (to incorporate the feature).
r

Thanks... Working in win7 but not win8.1...

Though the Bakers are always fixing and improving things quickly, I won't hold my breath for this one...

The zoom issue is near 2 years of waiting...

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