Kev914
The timing is off on some of the notes you enter although they look correct. There shouldn't be any issue re-creating the issue. It happens to me every day I use Sonar Platinum. Just enter some notes and some chords. Make sure it looks right. Play it back and it will sound awful. Not because it is awful necessarily, but because the timing is off. Just switch to the piano roll view and start checking the notes. You will find that some notes start too early or too late. Interestingly enough, once you fix the timing in the piano roll view, the staff view will still be right. Dragging the notes into their proper timing in the piano roll view does not alter the timing in the staff view. So I could live with it...until today. I knew what the problem was, and I knew how to fix it.
I did submit a ticket about this a while back, but I never got any response other than the default acknowledgement of my submission.
So what happened today?
I found that it was impossible to enter triplets in the staff view. When you try it enters two eight notes and a third unattached note a little to the right. I was able to enter the triplets in the piano view, but even though they are right in the piano roll view, they still look wrong in the staff view. But they do sound correct.
If you try to move the triplets into their proper note value in the staff view, they get converted to regular notes. If I'm remembering correctly, I think that after I entered the triplets correctly in the piano roll view, if you looked at the staff view, they appeared as a one eight note followed by two eight notes (like a chord). But they still played back as triplets and I guess that's what is important.
And I guess it still doesn't matter, as I used notation software to create and print my music.
Still, it would be nice if the staff view was correct, so you knew what you entered was correct. It's a little easier for me to look at quickly than the piano roll view.
A more accurate description would be that the staff view hasn't worked right for the past several
decades. Triplets can only be inserted in groups of three, ditto with the snap-to function, if you insert just one triplet into a measure, Sonar will not place it exactly on the grid where it should go, i.e. with a timebase of 480, an eighth-note triplet should be placed at 160, instead Sonar places it at 180. It's easy to move it to its correct location if you want it exactly on the beat.
And of course, the tied and dotted-triplet issue has been around since the beginning days of the staff view. These are annoyances, no doubt. I doubt the developers will ever fix these issues, CW seems to view these as limitations rather than bugs.
Now here's the good news: you can manually move individual triplet notes anywhere on the grid. When you enter three triplets at a time (the default) they are placed on the grid correctly. The other good news is that these display issues are not playback issues - when tied and dotted triplets are played back by Sonar, they play accurately and correctly, they just don't look right. Some musicians cannot get over this and are discouraged by this limitation. I've long learned to live with it because when I export my files to a genuine notation program, the tied and dotted triplets export correctly. If you think the notation aspects of DP or Cubase are that much better, you'll find other issues with those DAWS that are definitely inferior to Sonar, like the event list or the size of the fonts, or the staff view layout or the clunky interface, etc. So, pick your imperfections, be creative and work with them.
I'd love to see Cakewalk get serious about fixing these issues, and, to their credit, they have fixed some other staff view bugs in the past year or so. But the triplet issues probably will never be fixed. It certainly doesn't stop me from using tied- or dotted-triplets. One can see the glass as half-full or half-empty.
Jerry
http://www.jerrygerber.com/symph9mvt2.htm
post edited by jsg - 2016/07/13 14:04:47