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If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
This is something that broke in recent upgrades somewhere along the line, but when I double-click a MIDI clip I expect to be taken to the Piano Roll and to have that clip visible in the Piano Roll.
What has started happening is that Piano Roll opens, but at whatever the Now Time is. That is almost never what I would want.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/27 05:23:28
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I agree that double clicking a MIDI clip should open THAT clip in piano roll view but Sonar never did that. A new clip tab opens but you then need to click on that new tab, typically on the far right. This is not new behavior though. I do agree that the clip should be open right after double clicking it.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/27 05:33:21
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I agree that double clicking a MIDI clip should open THAT clip in piano roll view but Sonar never did that. A new clip tab opens but you then need to click on that new tab, typically on the far right. This is not new behavior though. I do agree that the clip should be open right after double clicking it. I don't know what you're referring to but I've been doing this for years and it always used to open a new Piano Roll window centred on the thing I clicked on. Since the X series I've always had it 'floating', not tabbed.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/27 08:20:35
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Kylotan
This is something that broke in recent upgrades somewhere along the line, but when I double-click a MIDI clip I expect to be taken to the Piano Roll and to have that clip visible in the Piano Roll.
What has started happening is that Piano Roll opens, but at whatever the Now Time is. That is almost never what I would want.
I just noticed this yesterday. A bit of a pain. I haven't gone back to see when it started though. Have you reported this problem reporter/support?
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/27 09:09:31
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There was an option somewhere to select this "double click" behavior. Sorry, I don't remember where it is. I haven't checked for it in Platinum. 
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/27 09:58:07
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For me, the PRV always opens with the time that you clicked centered. But the Now time stays where it is unless you have Left Click Sets Now enabled in Track View options as Paul suggested.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/27 15:59:22
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For me, the PRV always opens with the time that you clicked centered. But the Now time stays where it is unless you have Left Click Sets Now enabled in Track View options as Paul suggested.
Same here (I'm on Kingston). The double click behaviour is in the Track View / Options TAB / Click behavior / Double click.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/27 16:50:37
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right clik on track view then select [view-option]
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Kylotan
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/27 17:01:17
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The "Left Click Sets Now" option doesn't change anything regarding this behaviour. I just tried it with it on and with it off - no difference. Similarly, the double click behaviour option for MIDI clips lets me specify Piano Roll (the default, I think), but not the time at which it opens.
If I double click on a clip to open it in the Piano Roll, I want to see it in the Piano Roll. I don't see there's any reason why it should show me the Now time. If I wanted to see the clip at the Now time, I could click that clip instead.
I've not reported it as a problem, at least in part because it seems like this might have been a conscious choice somewhere down the line. No idea why.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/27 17:17:19
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rick-click not left-click
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/27 17:27:03
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Kylotan
If I double click on a clip to open it in the Piano Roll, I want to see it in the Piano Roll. I don't see there's any reason why it should show me the Now time. If I wanted to see the clip at the Now time, I could click that clip instead.
Which Platinum update are you on Kylotan ? On Kingston, the Now Time doesn't move and the view in the PRV is centered on where I double clicked [left button] and contains the clip I double clicked on.
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Kylotan
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/27 18:41:02
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Savoy, I don't know what you're trying to say, sorry.
Paul P, I'm on Manchester. This was also the case in Lexington. I don't remember when it started behaving this way but I think it was after one of the Platinum updates.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/27 19:17:37
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Kylotan
If I double click on a clip to open it in the Piano Roll, I want to see it in the Piano Roll. I don't see there's any reason why it should show me the Now time. If I wanted to see the clip at the Now time, I could click that clip instead.
Which Platinum update are you on Kylotan ? On Kingston, the Now Time doesn't move and the view in the PRV is centered on where I double clicked [left button] and contains the clip I double clicked on.
That's what happens here with Manchester, and is the expected behavior. Kylotan, there must be some preference that got changed or overwritten somewhere along the line. It doesn't seem to matter what click sets Now time. I just have it set to Options > Click Behavior > Double-Click > Piano Roll View. The clip isn't just centered horizontally, but vertically as well.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/27 20:14:11
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☄ Helpfulby BRainbow 2016/01/30 14:41:56
Double-click works fine for me too. Always centered. Still in Lexington, btw.
But Now Time behavior change if you using Smart Tool, Select Tool or Move Tool.
Select Tool: Now Time goes where you double-clicked.
Move Tool: Now Time does nothing.
Smart Tool: if you double-click on the midi clip name zone (cursor turns into Move Tool), Now Time does nothing. If you double-click below the midi clip name zone (cursor turns into Select Tool), Now Time goes where you double-clicked.
I know this doesn't help, sorry about that.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/27 21:32:17
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ChazEd
I know this doesn't help, sorry about that.
Whaddayamean it doesn't help  , you may be on to something. Nice rundown and tutorial on the effect of tool selection and pointer position within the clip. Smart Tool: if you double-click on the midi clip name zone (cursor turns into Move Tool), Now Time does nothing. If you double-click below the midi clip name zone (cursor turns into Select Tool), Now Time goes where you double-clicked.
Thanks for the tip ! I guess I was always clicking in the upper bar, without realizing it.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/27 21:51:40
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ChazEd
I know this doesn't help, sorry about that.
Whaddayamean it doesn't help, you may be on to something. Nice rundown and tutorial on the effect of tool selection and pointer position within the clip.
Smart Tool: if you double-click on the midi clip name zone (cursor turns into Move Tool), Now Time does nothing. If you double-click below the midi clip name zone (cursor turns into Select Tool), Now Time goes where you double-clicked.
Thanks for the tip ! I guess I was always clicking in the upper bar, without realizing it.
I mean all I wrote didn't help the OP issue. I'm glad you find my post useful. I use the PRV a lot, so I discovered the now time behavior by mistake.
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Kylotan
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/28 05:14:35
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Okay, I've found the bug.
Put a Drum Map on the MIDI track, and opening that clip in Piano Roll won't centre it on the click position.
Take the Drum Map off, and opening that clip in Piano Roll WILL centre it on the click position.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/28 10:41:33
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Kylotan
Put a Drum Map on the MIDI track, and opening that clip in Piano Roll won't centre it on the click position.
Take the Drum Map off, and opening that clip in Piano Roll WILL centre it on the click position.
I can confirm this, but it's because with a drum map (for some reason), nothing happens when you double click in the header bar of the clip. You have to click in the body of the clip, and then you activate the normal behaviour for clicking there.
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Kylotan
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/28 11:53:31
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Not exactly. If you have 'Left Click Sets Now' enabled, then double-clicking in the body of a drum-mapped clip will show you what you want, because it's moved the Now time to that position. It still seems to follow the rule of "Opening Piano Roll for a Drum Map clip always opens at the Now Time". It won't centre the Piano Roll on that clip if the Now time is, and remains, somewhere else.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/28 12:43:54
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Kylotan
Not exactly. If you have 'Left Click Sets Now' enabled, then double-clicking in the body of a drum-mapped clip will show you what you want, because it's moved the Now time to that position. It still seems to follow the rule of "Opening Piano Roll for a Drum Map clip always opens at the Now Time". It won't centre the Piano Roll on that clip if the Now time is, and remains, somewhere else.
Ok, I saw nothing happening because the Now Time was visible in Track View. If it isn't, the view will scroll to make it visible. I find this "always keep the Now Time visible" pretty confusing, visually. So I agree that things happen exactly as you describe. Looks like a bug with Drum Maps, that you should probably report.
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Kylotan
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/30 08:49:35
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/30 19:00:05
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Kylotan
Logged as CWBRN-45284.
Thank you for your persistence in tracking down a recipe to reproduce.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/01/30 19:55:27
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Thanks Kylotan for your patience as well as your persistence.
I learned quite a few things along the way.
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Kylotan
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/07/12 14:25:04
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Anderton
Thank you for your persistence in tracking down a recipe to reproduce.
https://www.cakewalk.com/...em-Report-Status/45284 Nearly 6 months on, and it's not even been looked at. And people used to wonder why I refused to file a report for every time I hit a Sonar bug.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/07/12 14:42:19
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Are you sure it still works the way you described? I just:
1. Created a MIDI track.
2. Put five MIDI clips in the track at 10-measure intervals.
3. Placed the Now time toward the beginning, in the middle of the first clip.
Whenever I double-clicked on any of the clips at the 10-measure intervals, leaving the Now time toward the beginning, the clip would open up the PRV and the clip would be centered in the middle of the PRV. Nor do you need to keep the PRV open for this behavior; if you close it, the clip will still open up on the middle of the PRV as it opens.
Isn't this the behavior you want? Is there some other condition needed (other than how I tested it, as described above) to produce the results you describe?
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/07/12 14:48:31
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To quote myself...
"Isn't this the behavior you want? Is there some other condition needed (other than how I tested it, as described above) to produce the results you describe?"
I saw your other post and if a Drum Map is selected for the MIDI track, then the PRV does open to the now time.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/07/12 14:59:12
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Anderton
Are you sure it still works the way you described?
No, I'm not sure, because I stopped paying for membership when I saw I wasn't getting anything worthwhile out of it. However, it's a pretty sad situation when nobody is even looking at these bug reports.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/07/12 15:51:44
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Kylotan
Anderton
Are you sure it still works the way you described?
No, I'm not sure, because I stopped paying for membership when I saw I wasn't getting anything worthwhile out of it.
However, it's a pretty sad situation when nobody is even looking at these bug reports.
While I agree they need to do a better job of documentation, I'd personally rather have them focussed on fixing them, than on tracking them. And to be fair, it has often been stated that sometimes a fix involving a root issue might address more than one bug - so not all bug reports may get closed out.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/07/12 15:55:12
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I don't care about documentation - I care about the fact that people make a big deal of how we should use the bug reporter but nobody is reading the damn things. I'm just glad I didn't waste more of my time trying to report bugs.
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Re: If I double click a clip, I want to see that clip
2016/07/12 15:59:21
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Brando, I can think of several bugs that would fall under the categories of Take Lane/Comping improvements, like the issue with nudge placing MIDI notes in other clips. Same with Ripple Editing. A Drum Map overhaul would probably fix multiple bugs too, but Cakewalk is on the record as prioritizing Load Balancing, Ripple Editing, and Take Lane/Comping, presumably because they affect the greatest number of users.
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