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The Monty Hall problem is a brain teaser, in the form of a probability puzzle ( Gruber, Krauss and others), loosely based on the American television game show Let's Make a Deal and named after its original host, Monty Hall. The problem was originally posed in a letter by Steve Selvin to the American Statistician in 1975 ( Selvin 1975a), ( Selvin 1975b). It became famous as a question from a reader's letter quoted in Marilyn vos Savant's "Ask Marilyn" column in Parade magazine in 1990 ( vos Savant 1990a): Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?
Vos Savant's response was that the contestant should switch to the other door ( vos Savant 1990a). Under the standard assumptions, contestants who switch have a 2/3 chance of winning the car, while contestants who stick to their choice have only a 1/3 chance. The given probabilities depend on specific assumptions about how the host and contestant choose their doors. A key insight is that, under these standard conditions, there is more information about doors 2 and 3 that was not available at the beginning of the game, when the door 1 was chosen by the player: the host's deliberate action adds value to the door he did not choose to eliminate, but not to the one chosen by the contestant originally. Another insight is that switching doors is a different action than choosing between the two remaining doors at random, as the first action uses the previous information and the latter does not. Other possible behaviors than the one described can reveal different additional information, or none at all, and yield different probabilities. Many readers of vos Savant's column refused to believe switching is beneficial despite her explanation. After the problem appeared in Parade, approximately 10,000 readers, including nearly 1,000 with PhDs, wrote to the magazine, most of them claiming vos Savant was wrong ( Tierney 1991). Even when given explanations, simulations, and formal mathematical proofs, many people still do not accept that switching is the best strategy ( vos Savant 1991a). Paul Erdős, one of the most prolific mathematicians in history, remained unconvinced until he was shown a computer simulation confirming the predicted result ( Vazsonyi 1999). The problem is a paradox of the veridical type, because the correct result (you should switch doors) is so counterintuitive it can seem absurd, but is nevertheless demonstrably true. The Monty Hall problem is mathematically closely related to the earlier Three Prisoners problem and to the much older Bertrand's box paradox.
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Re: Interesting Discussion Topic
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/07/13 01:13:45
But meebee some people would rather win the goat.
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Re: Interesting Discussion Topic
2016/07/12 18:57:33
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Those closest in proximity to monty hall would make the best choice by virtue of ESP, no?
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/07/12 20:12:27
wow did you know a burning candle's flame smells like burned nose hair
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2016/07/12 19:12:32
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you ever wonder what it would be like to listen to a couple of dogs talking about how when a cat wags it's tail it means something completely different
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Bapu reads one book and the whole world is going down the drain. What's the probability that he will read a second book?
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sorry Bapu  but I've had some coffee so everything is fine now
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☼ Best Answerby bapu 2016/07/12 20:12:56
bapu The Monty Hall problem is a brain teaser, in the form of a ...
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2016/07/12 20:00:07
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ampfixer What's the probability that he will read a second book?
Will it be about a goat?
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/07/12 20:21:48
It's simple. You take the goat and the car across first. Leave the goat there, then row back with the car and pick up the host. Row both of them back and leave the car with the goat (because goats can't drive), then row back into the middle of the river with the host, spark up a doobie and enjoy the goat's comical attempts to start the car.
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Re: Interesting Discussion Topic
2016/07/12 20:48:00
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I don't trust anything with rectangular pupils.
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2016/07/12 20:51:17
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All of my pupils are dilated.
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Re: Interesting Discussion Topic
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eph221 All of my pupils are dilated.
Better'n yer pupils being pair-a-diddled, I'm sure.
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2016/07/13 00:57:18
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eph221 All of my pupils are dilated.
There goes your chance at the Teacher of the Year award!
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2016/07/13 01:03:32
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Mythbusters did this last year and proved that switching is better. OucH! NOT THAT KIND OF SWITCH!!!
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bayoubill definately Goat
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/07/13 09:05:55
so...I don't understand...what does this have to do with becan?
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Beagle so...I don't understand...what does this have to do with becan?
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bapu
eph221 All of my pupils are dilated.
Better'n yer pupils being pair-a-diddled, I'm sure.
What on earth goes through that head of yours Bapu? <edited>
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eph221 All of my pupils are dilated.
There goes your chance at the Teacher of the Year award!
I teach the sweat hogs.
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☄ Helpfulby drewfx1 2016/07/13 14:03:57
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eph221 All of my pupils are dilated.
Better'n yer pupils being pair-a-diddled, I'm sure.
What on earth goes through that head of yours Bapu? <edited>
You need to remember that he's a bass player eph.
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Re: Interesting Discussion Topic
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I could not resist - I did not believe the supposed right answer, so I wrote a quickie computer simulation and tested it over many, many iterations. Switch was the right call two-thirds of the time. Once I looked more closely at my code, it became obvious why. The contestant makes a pick. His chances are one in three of it being the right one. That means the chances are two-in three of it being the wrong one. So, the contestant is shown that one of the doors he didn't pick is a loser. The odds of his original pick remain - one in three. That means that the other unopened door has a two-in-three chance of being the winner. The computer simulation confirms that this ratio is close the results it produces.
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2016/07/13 20:34:30
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Re: Interesting Discussion Topic
2016/07/14 11:42:58
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Hi, I'll stand for the one by the Firesign Theater. (slightly paraphrased - Bapu might remember it better than I) Door #3 (can't even remember which!) opens Ohhhhhhhhhhh (from the crowd) Player: It's a pile of ____! Announcer: Yes, but it is really good ____!
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