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Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
Hi all, I'm getting latency playing all my softsynths in Sonar X2 Producer and it's getting quite frustrating. Can anyone offer any suggestions, please? I know that's not a lot to go on so please let me know if you'd like further info. My current Mixing Latency settings (because it won't let me add a screenshot...): Buffers in Playback Queue: 2 Buffer Size: Fast/441 samples Effective latency at 44kHz/stereo: 10.0 msec Thanks!
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/15 09:06:20
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Hi. Which driver mode do you use, and are the drivers (and the rest of your pc) up to date? If possible, use ASIO drivers. 10 ms RTL (round trip latency) should not be a significant problem. But if it is 10 ms "each way", you will feel it as being out of sync. Do you have the possibility to lower the latency? All the best.
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/15 09:28:03
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☄ Helpfulby Anderton 2016/07/15 11:45:43
Could there be other plug-ins in the project adding latency? Type "E" or click the FX button in the Mix Module. This will bypass all FX plug-ins and recalculate the PDC.
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/15 10:08:10
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A roundtrip latency of 10 ms should, IMO, be quite tolerable in most cases (I have much higher). In many cases, though, the actual latency is much higher than the what the settings indicate, due to many reasons, usually VST-dependant ones. Then again, latency should not be a problem when mixing, anyway (as you talk about mixing latency). Do you use different settings when recording?
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/15 10:48:53
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If what your experiencing is playing a note on your controller and it takes time to sound,then what scook said is the solution. Round trip latency has nothing to do with midi latency. RTL is experienced when you play your guitar and use input echo to monitor.
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/15 11:04:56
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My bad
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/15 12:10:35
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Cactus Music If what your experiencing is playing a note on your controller and it takes time to sound,then what scook said is the solution. Round trip latency has nothing to do with midi latency. RTL is experienced when you play your guitar and use input echo to monitor.
When using software synths you still feel the effect of the "outgoing" latency, which is typically around half of the round-trip. Plugins that add latency of theirnown will increase the delay between pressing a key and a note sounding, but removing those plugins won't reduce the latency the audio driver buffer is set to provide.
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/15 18:19:44
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I guess this would be true when you think about it, because there must be a delay from when the midi message triggers the soft synth then the CPU/ system needs to generate the sound, then the audio driver is involved in the playback and the D/A too. ,, I wonder why I've had the RTL as high as 45 ms but I never have a problem with midi latency that was noticeable unless I'm running a effect like the LP64 multiband ? I certainly notice the 10ms delay if I run a Guitar sim?
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/15 19:07:48
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I don't know. I can cope with higher latency with some software synths than I can with guitar or bass as well.
Maybe it has to do with attack envelope settings, I find piano and similar sounds are also affected by latency in the same way as guitar.
And some hardware synths can take 7 or 8ms to interpret and process MIDI and emit audio as well, especially if they're digital.
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/17 03:36:19
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Thanks for your replies, everyone. My experience is regarding playing notes on my MIDI controller (a Yamaha S90XS). The latency isn't huge but it's enough to affect live playing, especially when playing/recording a drum part in realtime. I tried pressing E but no change yet. Driver mode is currently set to to WDM/KS. I recall having problems with ASIO settings in the past for some reason but I could try it again I guess. The latency is currently set to Fast and the slider is all the way to the left (in the Preferences | Driver Settings window). Should I adjust the buffer size? I'm not exactly sure what that does. Or perhaps it's an issue with my controller? Thanks, CK
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/17 05:35:27
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What kind of Audio Interface do you have? I would download the latest ASIO drivers for it, if available. Install, reboot. Open SONAR, and change driver settings to ASIO. I hope that will help. Others may know better. All the best.
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/17 15:49:10
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Alright, so here’s my issue. Perhaps I can piggyback on the OP's issues and see if we all can learn. I have no discernible latency with audio. The problem is with MIDI – esp Soft Synth. There is a definite lag, and it isn’t just hearing, it’s in the recording itself. I’ve read and talked to people, but . . . My computer is fine – AMD A10, Quad Core, 3.6 GHz; 16 g RAM, separate video card, Windows 10. I’ve turned everything off – no wi-fi and so forth. I have a UR242 Audio Interface (ASIO with up to date drivers), Sonar Platinum (purchased at the end of last month) I’ve raised and lowered buffers, samples, . . . up and down, in and out, backwards and forward I have an old MIDI keyboard, but a relatively new Yamaha DTX700 e-drum kit. The keyboard goes through MIDI cables, and the drums USB. Both have the same issue. It isn’t bad if I have only one or two tracks. My workaround has been to mix everything down except for the track I’m recording – I then open a new file and a track with the mix – play the instrument, etc. etc. It works, but it’s a bit of a pain, and it definitely takes some creativity away. (perhaps that is the answer, but . . .) I talked to a nice guy at Steinberg and he recommended that I record in regular MIDI and then process it though the soft synth. But, that doesn't seem to work all that well -- missing events and such. Surely, I am doing something wrong. If someone has advice, I sure would welcome it. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/17 17:44:01
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If it gets worse with more tracks it could be plugins you're using. Certainly types of plugins cause latency just because of the process they use to do their magic. Limiters with look ahead (most "intelligent" ones), transient designers, convolution reverbs and linear phase EQs in particular add a lot of latency.
No idea why the latency would end up in the recording though. Is it possible that this is just a side effect from the audible latency messing with your playing?
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/17 18:48:59
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I'll do some tests to see. Certainly, it could very well be messing with my head. Thanks.
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/18 00:42:41
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I have the Yamaha DX 500 kit and if I try to trigger a drum soft synth I do hear just a tad of latency, I believe its only about 7-9 ms but enough to "feel" off when tracking. So what I do is monitor the drum set brain while tracking and this is super tight. The resulting midi tracks are bang on most times and need very little quantizing. I always by pass all effect while tracking, especially midi. The Yamaha kit midi usb driver must be the reason for the latency, My Roland a 49 does not seem to have this issue and it's usb midi as well.
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/18 01:26:45
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Interesting. i have the latest Yamaha driver, but . . . You'd think they would be on top of that, but perhaps not. If you are listening to the brain as it goes out, how are you monitoring the mix to play along? Do you mix it back to you? Thanks.
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/18 10:46:31
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Sheds If you are listening to the brain as it goes out, how are you monitoring the mix to play along? Do you mix it back to you? Thanks.
In my case, I have all the audio from my interface and MIDI keyboard routed to a little 8-channel mixer that I monitor from.
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Re: Softsynth latency in Sonar X2 Producer
2016/07/19 00:37:57
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I too use a little mixer ,, but I also have done this: with my monitors on and used headphones plugged into the brain.. just adjust how they sit on your head to hear both. I have also plugged the brians output into my interface and can monitor like that. But-- Yamaha gear has always had the stupidest output system and only have the TRS headphone jack.. Just tonight at a rehersal there was a Yamaha stage piano with this same dumb set up.. Next to useless unless you just happen to have an insert patch cable kicking around. Most people don't. So they end up using a guitar TS cable which actually shorts out one channel and possibley could cause dammage to the piano ( or drum brain) output. I have one from my hardware compressor days.. It's TRS y's to two TS jacks. So anyhow if you don't have an insert cable try the headphone trick. Open cell headphones work best.
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