Reverb ends when clip ends

I've never noticed this before, and I'm fairly sure that's because it hasn't happened before, but I could be wrong.
 
I have an audio track with reverb on it. The clip in question is the very end of the song. I realized I needed that last audio clip to be shorter, so I dragged the right edge in to shorten it. However, now the reverb on the track abruptly stops right at the end of this truncated clip.
 
Without success, I have tried:
1. Adding a volume envelope and reducing volume to zero rather than shortening the clip
1. Recording a clip of silence and adding that to the end of the track
2. Reducing the actual gain of the end of te clip itself to zero (rather than using an envelope)
 
All these methods caused the reverb to stop when the clip stopped. If it's important, the effect is part of an FX Chain Preset I loaded.

Not sure if there's a fix for X3 but in the latest versions there's a preference for "Clip Tail Duration." Prior to that, I just extended the clip for however much reverb or delay I wanted.

Possible solution/workaround.
 

1. Drag the clip containing the reverb out for as long as the reverb tail extends
2. Automate the track volume for the length of the extension down to -INF

Kalle Rantaaho
There used to be also "Play FX tails after stop", I don't know if it's there anymore under that title.

I just noticed this reverb tail problem is back now that I am using 2016-12 early release.  I can't find a setting for "Play FX tails after stop".  I have been using Clip Tail Duration = 1.5 sec and I haven't had a problem for a couple of years. 
 
With 2016-12, it makes no difference how long I set that tail duration.  I can set it to 10 seconds and it still chops the clip at the end of the selection, which sounds terrible.
 
It is not an option for me to stretch the clip longer because these are live recordings that typically have applause beginning a second or two after the last note.  It was working perfectly, but now seems to be broken.  I wonder if anybody else has gotten hit with this.  I will try reverting to 2016-11, but the bug might have come in before that.

Are you trying to bounce the full song and it just ends at the exact end of the last clip?  
 
What I do is put in another short audio file or midi sometime after and bounce down with that and then edit where the wav ends in Soundforge.

cparmerlee
Does anybody know of other configuration settings that might defeat "Clip Tail Duration"?
 

 
I haven't checked it out, but Freeze Tail requires Track FX to be checked. Possibly this is a requirement for Clip Tails as well...?
 
Regarding not being able to extend the clip because of applause, you can Apply Trimming and then when you extend the clip the extension will be silent.
 
And I'm not sure if it's relevant to the issue with Clip Tails, but the rough equivalent of 'Play FX Tails' is now 'Always Stream Audio Through FX'.
 
EDIT: A couple more thoughts...  It's not clear to me that this option applies to playback; the documentation only mentions exporting. Nevertheless, I tried exporting with a tail, and got several seconds of dead air tacked on to the end of the clip with no reverb, so it does seem there's an issue.

Source =  Clips?

FWIW, if I freeze a given track, the freeze operation does perfectly apply the Clip Tail Duration that is specified in the Freeze Options.  But what is broken is the Preferences - Audio Data - Clip Tail Duration, which should do exactly the same thing for exported audio.

brundlefly
I meant Source Category = Clips in the export dialog. In your screenshot, it's 'Entire Mix'

OK.  I'll try that.  I have always set this to "entire mix" and it used to work.  But I can certainly try it the other way.  I am trying to export the full mix, of course, as this is the final step in my workflow.  If I select all the clips, and then say category = clips, I should get everything, including all the effects, right?

brundlefly
Clip Tail Duration is only applicable to Clip FX.

I think we are getting to the issue now.  I do agree that all the write-ups I have seen on this feature (introduced with Ipswitch in 2015) do refer to "clips".  And in fact, if I select all the MIDI or audio clips I want in the mix, and also select any synth tracks that are driven by that MIDI, then do Export Audio, selecting source = "Clips" (as opposed to "Entire mix", it does work as expected.)  However, that is of no use because that puts each clip out to a separate file.  I want to export the song.
 
I swear it worked correctly for source = "entire mix" until recently.  Maybe I am nuts, but I really would have noticed if things were getting chopped because any chopped reverb becomes audible at the end of the export.
 
So where we are now is I need to confirm I was not imagining this.  Can anybody confirm that the tail duration was indeed added when exporting "entire mix"?

brundlefly
So to confirm the setup and symptoms:
 
- Reverb is part of an FX Chain and has a long/loud enough decay to be heard after approx. 1-second clip fades...?
- Is the FX Chain in Prochannel or track FX bin?
- What reverb plugin?
- What else is in the chain in what order, and what else is before or after the chain?
- Reverb is heard past all clip boundaries on live playback and on freezing the track, but not in export of unfrozen track with Entire Mix...?
- In the export, the reverb is cut off at every clip boundary, not just the last...?
 
If it's just at the end, you might just need to extend your selection in the timline before exporting, or add some automation that runs past the the end of the last clip (volume automation on the Master bus is good for this).

I have two MIDI tracks feeding two channels of a single TTS-1 instance (piano and brass section, just to give it different sounds).  I have no track or effect clips. I put Breverb Hall - Ballroom on the master bus.  That has a tail of about 5 seconds. I have a 5-second tail set in Preferences - File - Audio data and also in Freeze options.
 
1) If I freeze the synth track, the frozen WAV extends 5 seconds beyond the end of the rightmost clip.  But there is no audible tail other than what is inherent in TTS, because Breverb is on the mast bus, not the synth track. This is as expected.
 
With the TTS unfrozen, If I select the 2 MIDI clips, then the ruler start time is the beginning of the leftmost clip and the end time is the end of the rightmost clip. I ctrl-click the TTS track to include it in the export audio.
 
2) When I export audio, selecting "clips" as the source, I get two separate WAV files, one for each clip.  Each one is the duration of that particular clip plus 5 seconds and includes the Breverb tail.  In other words, the times selected on the ruler seem to have no bearing in this case. This is as expected.
 
3) When I export audio, selecting "entire mix" as the source, I get one WAV file that is exactly as long as the ruler time, with NO 5-second tail added. Breverb effect is throughout the file, but chops abruptly after the last note of the rightmost clip.  This is what I am 99% certain has changed for the worse.
 
4) Just for completeness, if I repeat step 3) but select source = "buses" and select the master bus, the file is identical to 3), i.e. no tail added.
 
I realize I could manually stretch the end point on the ruler to achieve the effect of the extra tail length.  I don't believe I have had to do this recently (not since Ipswitch, I guess).  And in the course of editing live concerts, this is not such a simple thing because there is usually applause soon after the last note that I normally want to exclude.  I guess I could but automation on the master fader, but this really should not be necessary.  I think this was working correctly until ???
 
As it is relatively easy to revert releases, I think I will try this next to see if I can find a release where it did work the way I am describing it.

Yes, it's always been necessary to extend the selection to capture FX tails past the last event in a project when exporting with source set to anything other than Clips.
 
As noted above in my previous post, an easy and to have this happen automatically and consistently at the same place every time is to set a Volume envelope on the Master bus that ends  (i.e. the last envelope node) where you want the export to end. Then you'll get the tails without have to select anything when exporting.