jpetersen
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Midi, right mouse button: Sometimes note properties, sometimes note just disappears
I am trying to get the hang of MIDI editing.
The puzzle I am having is that sometimes when I right-click on a note I get the properties, like in Sonar 8.5.3, but sometimes the note just disappears. Gone.
Anyone else have this happen to them?
I am sure I saw a similar thread some time back but I cannot find it.
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Re: Midi, right mouse button: Sometimes note properties, sometimes note just disappears
2016/07/21 11:43:38
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Pay attention to what editing "tool" is engaged. There are 6 of them. Go through each one with some practice notes and see what each one does and doesn't do.
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Re: Midi, right mouse button: Sometimes note properties, sometimes note just disappears
2016/07/21 12:28:47
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@Thedoccal: Something strange is happening.
If I select a tool, and then select it again, a different tool gets selected.
I think my Sonar installation is screwed up.
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Re: Midi, right mouse button: Sometimes note properties, sometimes note just disappears
2016/07/21 12:46:13
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How are you selecting the tool?
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Thedoccal
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Re: Midi, right mouse button: Sometimes note properties, sometimes note just disappears
2016/07/21 12:58:20
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Some tools have more than one tool within the tool. If you use your keyboard hotkeys, pressing the same one toggles through the available tools. That's why they change. Fun huh!? If you use the mouse to change tools (left click only) the tool will stick with the one tool within the tool. Right click with the mouse to see the list of tools available within that tool, if there are any.
post edited by Thedoccal - 2016/07/21 13:19:43
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jpetersen
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Re: Midi, right mouse button: Sometimes note properties, sometimes note just disappears
2016/07/21 13:29:38
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Thedoccal
Some tools have more than one tool within the tool. If you use your keyboard hotkeys, pressing the same one toggles through the available tools. That's why they change. Fun huh!? If you use the mouse to change tools (left click only) the tool will stick with the one tool within the tool. Right click with the mouse to see the list of tools available within that tool, if there are any.
Oh! F5, F6 and F7 work differently from F8, F9 and F10!!! If I choose F6 for the select tool, then do some work, then without thinking I later press F6 again, it jumps back to whatever tool I had before I chose F6! (Assuming I even remember what it was...) And if I choose one of the F8 - F10 key functions, pressing the same F-key again makes them loop through like you described. Phew, this calls for serious concentration. In Sonar 8 there are only the S(elect), D(raw) and E(rease) keys. I find what you can do with each one is more balanced and consistent.
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Re: Midi, right mouse button: Sometimes note properties, sometimes note just disappears
2016/07/21 15:44:12
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Despite several people decrying the nature of the Smart Tool, most of their objections stem from not using it properly, IMHO of course.
It is indeed very Smart indeed to the point where I don't use any of the standard tools, just a few of the other more exotic variations
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Re: Midi, right mouse button: Sometimes note properties, sometimes note just disappears
2016/07/21 20:08:01
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The SmartTool is fine for when there are few notes, but when there's lots of notes and I am zoomed out it gets difficult to position the cursor over specific regions of individual notes. This is when the single-function tools are useful. I find I have to break concentration to double-check which tool is active before I press a button. Especially the Draw tool (F9). Hit this one a second time by accident and you can then press another 6 times to get it to cycle through all it's 7 functions before it returns to the one you wanted. This really is distracting me from the music-making. I am posting a feature request to simplify this.
post edited by jpetersen - 2016/07/21 20:32:01
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Re: Midi, right mouse button: Sometimes note properties, sometimes note just disappears
2016/07/21 21:30:14
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jpetersen
I find I have to break concentration to double-check which tool is active before I press a button. Especially the Draw tool (F9). Hit this one a second time by accident and you can then press another 6 times to get it to cycle through all it's 7 functions before it returns to the one you wanted.
This really is distracting me from the music-making.
I am posting a feature request to simplify this.
Right-click on the button, choose the tool. Pretty simple.
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jpetersen
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Re: Midi, right mouse button: Sometimes note properties, sometimes note just disappears
2016/07/22 02:01:06
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Anderton
Right-click on the button, choose the tool. Pretty simple.
That's using the mouse. We were talking about behavior when using the F-keys.
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Re: Midi, right mouse button: Sometimes note properties, sometimes note just disappears
2016/07/22 09:47:21
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You didn't say using the F keys was a requirement. I'd just say don't use the F Keys if you want to select among multiple options rapidly.
But I tend to agree with Bristol Jonesey that once you've mastered the smart tool, positional placement, and modifier keys, you really don't need to use the other tools much...if at all, in many cases.
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Re: Midi, right mouse button: Sometimes note properties, sometimes note just disappears
2016/07/22 10:46:28
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Enter, cut, split, delete, change velocity, move, change length
I'm sure there's more but I do all that just with the ST
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