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The Magic Flute
This is my very first effort with MIDI Orchestration... Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart: Die Zauberflöte (The Magic Flute), K.620 (Singspiel) https://soundcloud.com/cclarry/magic-flute
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/16 12:46:32
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Quite effective sounding Larry, I do wonder if the Piano's stereo image is a little too wide. When the bass notes of the piano came in it felt like there was hole in the middle of the piano sound. All in all nice job the mix sounded and felt balanced, it had some feel as well so it did not sound completely midi'ed.
Thanks for sharing.
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Re: The Magic Flute
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Quite effective sounding Larry, I do wonder if the Piano's stereo image is a little too wide. When the bass notes of the piano came in it felt like there was hole in the middle of the piano sound. All in all nice job the mix sounded and felt balanced, it had some feel as well so it did not sound completely midi'ed.
Thanks for sharing.
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/16 13:28:06
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/07/16 15:04:25
OK that makes sense then Larry, still a little wide for me personally though. Perhaps use some Mid/Side processing to create two virtual positions in the sound-stage, giving the feel of two different pianos.
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/16 13:45:38
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/07/16 15:04:46
Wow Larry, this is very nice. Really good for your first Midi orchestration!! I also thought the piano (being somewhat the main instrument) would benefit from being centered as the other instruments are already spread. Other than that, great job brother!!!
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/16 20:29:41
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MIDI is one of my major nemeses. From my perspective this is very good, especially for a first attempt. Terrific job.
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Re: The Magic Flute
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Re: The Magic Flute
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/18 10:24:46
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That new "tweaks" worked out well Larry......nice!!
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Re: The Magic Flute
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/18 21:45:27
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ah, the Masonic opera. Very nice Larry - works well on my speakers
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Re: The Magic Flute
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/19 09:33:48
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Larry, this was really good. How/where did you get the midi tracks? Did you download the parts and then you orchestrated them or did you create the midi yourself?
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/19 14:55:40
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I downloaded the MIDI tracks Rimshot and then used Miroslav 2
for the parts...and did the mixing...
I only WISH I could play like that...LOL
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/19 14:57:35
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Nice work Larry. I don't think I've listened to any of your tunes before. This was very well done and didn't sound at all too "midi-fied" if you know what I mean. I don't think I'd know where to start with orchestrating something as big as this.
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/19 14:59:02
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Oh... your rock stuff erm... rocks LOL 
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/19 16:59:10
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cclarry
I downloaded the MIDI tracks Rimshot and then used Miroslav 2
for the parts...and did the mixing...
I only WISH I could play like that...LOL
You did great! I am impressed with the way your instrument sounds end their part. Sometimes a swell and sometimes a fade. Very good attention to detail on all of it. I don't have that kind of patience these days. Just want to get stuff down in a few passes. But working wit all the orchestral instruments through timbre and mix shows a lot of understanding of the medium and a good ear for production and mixing. Well done.
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/19 17:55:33
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Thanx Rimshot....as I said earlier, it's given me a far greater appreciation
of what Orchestrators have to do...and all they have to go through...was
a great learning experience...
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/20 14:02:41
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Again Larry thanks for the deals and steals!
I'd say the strings and winds are particularly well realized. I didn't hear any real fakeness. How's that for an oxymoron?
Perhaps the flute gets a little more prominent than it should in a spot or two: 2:45? Just something to check.
The piano for me is something which might be improved upon. The lower registers sound great but the upper register (featured) is pretty thin, too low in the mix, and needs more reverb to be in the same concert hall as the strings/flutes. If you have Kontakt I could recommend the Pearl. I think even Addictive Keys would be more in line with what you are trying to do.
These piano vsti's go on sale from time to time. If you need help with that, I know a guy. :)
Seriously, you have done a good and faithful job here. Keep up the good work and thanks again for all you do around here.
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/21 12:01:25
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Larry,
Very good work. Sounds very real and can appreciate the work that went into it.
I agree with Tom's comment above regarding the thinness of the piano on the upper registers. In this case, since the piano is the lead, it could use a bit for fullness on the upper end. I would also second trying the XLN Steinway D for the upper part in this piece. Just downloaded the XLN demo yesterday and was quite surprised by the quality as a lead instrument. The demo works fully in 4 octaves, in case you don't already have it.
Your mix, expression, separation and space is realized very well too. The piano is really the only thing I might consider updating...
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Re: The Magic Flute
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/24 09:55:47
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Sweet!!! Great chord changes it this too.
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/24 18:38:42
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nice work, Larry! this kind of stuff is SO hard to do well, IMO!
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Re: The Magic Flute
2016/07/25 14:53:33
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Your first attempt at MIDI orchestration? Yeah, not sure I'm buying that...  Nice job. As mentioned above your attention to detail really shines though in many ways. I also think the piano does get a bit thin and might be better suited to a more "woody" tone, but it's a minor point IMO when it comes to a MIDI mock-up - the orchestration works.
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