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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/27 15:59:46
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John I've been using automation from back in the Pro Audio days. I used the Studio Mix back then. I can't say the W and R buttons have been even a slight problem. Actually for me its been rather convenient having them. I am unsure of a reason for this thread. If we look back at the OP it is my understanding that Dave didn't know what R was for. That was answered. Now its about something entirely different in that some few seem bothered that by default reading automation is on. Really! Is that a real problem? BTW Dave could have avoided this thread if he had just read the manual. Now there is a constant help showing what everything does. Apparently Dave can't be bother to have that on either. I have always thought of the automation in Sonar as being one of its strengths.
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/27 15:59:52
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I just unblocked Dave yesterday so I could answer his OP  Totally serious. it was in the "UGLY UI" thread. ahhh, you know.. He rubbed me the wrong way.
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/27 16:11:29
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John I've been using automation from back in the Pro Audio days. I used the Studio Mix back then. I can't say the W and R buttons have been even a slight problem. Actually for me its been rather convenient having them. I am unsure of a reason for this thread. If we look back at the OP it is my understanding that Dave didn't know what R was for. That was answered. Now its about something entirely different in that some few seem bothered that by default reading automation is on. Really! Is that a real problem? BTW Dave could have avoided this thread if he had just read the manual. Now there is a constant help showing what everything does. Apparently Dave can't be bother to have that on either. I have always thought of the automation in Sonar as being one of its strengths.
John, the help is SO helpful...  lol
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/27 16:19:11
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I think that the reasoning behind why it is set to default on is illogical. Why would a new track with NO data in it need to be automated? No offence, it’s just how I see it.
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/27 17:03:07
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Dave000 I think that the reasoning behind why it is set to default on is illogical. Why would a new track with NO data in it need to be automated? No offence, it’s just how I see it.
I think the point is that it doesn't hurt anything to be enabled in the absence of automation data. The most common case for disabling it would come later after automation data has been added and the user wants to disable for comparison without having to delete data. So having the default being enabled makes it the fewest steps for the most users in the most common use cases.
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/27 18:05:05
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Dave000 I think that the reasoning behind why it is set to default on is illogical. Why would a new track with NO data in it need to be automated? No offence, it’s just how I see it.
I think the point is that it doesn't hurt anything to be enabled in the absence of automation data. The most common case for disabling it would come later after automation data has been added and the user wants to disable for comparison without having to delete data. So having the default being enabled makes it the fewest steps for the most users in the most common use cases.
+1 this is exactly how I would have said it as well. Dave, if you don't need or use Automation then I can see your point. however this is something used by probably 90% of users. it really is a helpful feature. if you have no interest in it, I can respect that but when you have a second, just watch a video or 2 on it. sometimes its those hidden features, those things we don't use often that become the real gems. for me it was the Piano Roll View. I jumped on it late (only a few years ago). I insisted on using a Drum machine through Midi to score my samples. it took a long time doing it that way. what I came to realize is the drum machine and the PRV are almost identical with the exception of in the PRV... I can actually see what im doing vs just listening. Good Luck
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/27 21:20:39
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John I've been using automation from back in the Pro Audio days. I used the Studio Mix back then. I can't say the W and R buttons have been even a slight problem. ..... Now its about something entirely different in that some few seem bothered that by default reading automation is on. Really! Is that a real problem?
I'm sure you'll understand this, but I only wanted to let Keith (and OP) know that having automation on by default isn't helpful for everyone, and that the current behavior could be changed in order to make SONAR an even more user-friendly DAW. As for the potential user confusion (which actually happened to me) I mentioned in the second half of my first post, it comes from the inconsistency between the state of the track's R button and the state of the lane's R button. I don't know how the track's R button behaved during the period between Pro Audio and X1 (since the only versions I owned during the period were version 2 and X1, and I didn't really use the latter), but at least the automation lanes introduced in X2 confused me when I started re-learning automation in SONAR a year or so ago. The videos below will help people reading this thread understand why it's confusing (at first at least). 1. As you can see, for those who prefer to disable automation read by default (for easy identification of automation written tracks), the inconsistency between the R buttons is confusing. (In this example, volume and pan are the only automation envelopes/lanes I created) 2. I removed the default EQ from the ProChannel module sometime ago, so the track only contains three automation parameters (volume, pan and automated mute) by default. Notice that the track's R button is still half lit after I removed the envelope/deleted the lane (this could be a bug, though). So I suggested the improvement that would make some of us happy, without hurting the workflow of majority of users.
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/27 21:38:21
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John I've been using automation from back in the Pro Audio days. I used the Studio Mix back then. I can't say the W and R buttons have been even a slight problem. Actually for me its been rather convenient having them. I am unsure of a reason for this thread. If we look back at the OP it is my understanding that Dave didn't know what R was for. That was answered. Now its about something entirely different in that some few seem bothered that by default reading automation is on. Really! Is that a real problem? BTW Dave could have avoided this thread if he had just read the manual. Now there is a constant help showing what everything does. Apparently Dave can't be bother to have that on either. I have always thought of the automation in Sonar as being one of its strengths.
John, the help is SO helpful... lol
I think it is. If you want to know more there is help and the manual. These would have explained what the R button is all about.
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/27 23:24:01
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I would prefer to think for myself... the way it seems here... I should say “I record everyday” I want the record buttons ON as default and ready to record when I setup a new track… Truly I prefer a clean slate… “Nothing on” So I guess it’s ok that I keep turning the R off if some need the help figuring out how to setup Splat for their own needs… I’m Sorry, I did forget who I was dealing with… lol
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/28 12:42:35
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John I've been using automation from back in the Pro Audio days. I used the Studio Mix back then. I can't say the W and R buttons have been even a slight problem. Actually for me its been rather convenient having them. I am unsure of a reason for this thread. If we look back at the OP it is my understanding that Dave didn't know what R was for. That was answered. Now its about something entirely different in that some few seem bothered that by default reading automation is on. Really! Is that a real problem? BTW Dave could have avoided this thread if he had just read the manual. Now there is a constant help showing what everything does. Apparently Dave can't be bother to have that on either. I have always thought of the automation in Sonar as being one of its strengths.
John, the help is SO helpful... lol
I think it is. If you want to know more there is help and the manual. These would have explained what the R button is all about.
I think the Bakers should at least add the Learn More button.
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/28 12:49:57
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Dave000 I would prefer to think for myself... the way it seems here... I should say “I record everyday” I want the record buttons ON as default and ready to record when I setup a new track… Truly I prefer a clean slate… “Nothing on” So I guess it’s ok that I keep turning the R off if some need the help figuring out how to setup Splat for their own needs… I’m Sorry, I did forget who I was dealing with… lol
Dave000 - Check out track and project templates. If your tracks are more/less identical, you could use clone of a track that you already configured to your liking instead of the standard add new track function. Or, especially you have several things you change from default, create a template of a track and instantiate new tracks from the template via "Insert > Track Template ..."
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/28 18:55:14
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Dave000 I would prefer to think for myself... the way it seems here... I should say “I record everyday” I want the record buttons ON as default and ready to record when I setup a new track… Truly I prefer a clean slate… “Nothing on” So I guess it’s ok that I keep turning the R off if some need the help figuring out how to setup Splat for their own needs… I’m Sorry, I did forget who I was dealing with… lol
Dave000 - Check out track and project templates. If your tracks are more/less identical, you could use clone of a track that you already configured to your liking instead of the standard add new track function. Or, especially you have several things you change from default, create a template of a track and instantiate new tracks from the template via "Insert > Track Template ..."
I understand the templates I have made many but these days I have just 2 , 1 is 14 mic setup for drums and a blank 1 but as we all know the R comes on each track as you create it and as I record as many as 20 versions at once in a loop, when I stop I have to run down all of my tracks and turn 0ff the R. That's just how I work. I really don't care how others work and can respect that but really they want to debate a feature that is a feature and not something I need. I gave up being a software junky years ago and don’t care about all features. I just want to record my songs. People here need to realize that we all use Splat differently. I don’t need the R… lol Peace to all...
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/28 19:17:48
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There is no reason to turn off read automation. None. It has no meaning when there is no automation to read.
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/28 21:19:51
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John There is no reason to turn off read automation. None. It has no meaning when there is no automation to read.
Lol, my point... Yhy ;) does it come on if it is useless? (Rhetorical) BTW: Forum Spell checker is not workin ;) peace!
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/28 21:20:42
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Dave000 I understand the templates I have made many but these days I have just 2 , 1 is 14 mic setup for drums and a blank 1 but as we all know the R comes on each track as you create it and as I record as many as 20 versions at once in a loop, when I stop I have to run down all of my tracks and turn 0ff the R.
If you don't use automation at all, you really don't need to turn off read automation. But if you want to, take advantage of Smart Swipe (a new feature introduced just last month) to disable all R buttons at once. Just click the first of the enabled R buttons and drag the mouse all the way down. Also, it might be a good idea to assign a keyboard shortcut (e.g. Alt+C) to Clone Tracks. This way, you can quickly create a new track or tracks with R disabled using the shortcut.
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/29 06:55:42
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Wow! your mouse skills are amazing BUT you are missing the point! I DON’T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT!
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/29 06:59:36
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Dave000 Wow! your mouse skills are amazing BUT you are missing the point! I DON’T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT!
A simple thank you might have sufficed. he was trying to help you by giving you a work around. im guessing you will receive more reply's to your future questions by answering posts this way.
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/29 09:00:14
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Fire up Theme Editor and change the color of the Automation Read buttons to solid black for all states. Problem solved!!
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/29 09:05:40
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BobF Fire up Theme Editor and change the color of the Automation Read buttons to solid black for all states. Problem solved!!

Well done, Bob. BEST ANSWER.
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/29 09:36:03
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BobF Fire up Theme Editor and change the color of the Automation Read buttons to solid black for all states. Problem solved!!

Best answer ive seen in a while
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/29 09:53:54
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BobF Fire up Theme Editor and change the color of the Automation Read buttons to solid black for all states. Problem solved!!

I thought of that days ago, but it don't fix the problem... and how do In know that down the road if I hit the wrong thing and mess up a track and it has something to do with the R being active. Like I said I don't get it because I don't need it, if I needed it I would know how to use it... it's not dumb to not learn what I don't need... I would just be a waste of my time... like this full post seems to be.. lol I done here! Carry on! :)
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/29 10:03:50
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Dave000 and how do In know that down the road if I hit the wrong thing and mess up a track and it has something to do with the R being active.
Switch off the [R!] button in the Control Bar Mix Module. It bypasses all read automation in the project. I THINK it will solve your issue. I don't globally bypass automation read, so I can't be sure.
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/29 10:08:55
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Can't you just hide it using the Custom feature of the track header filter?
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/29 10:10:10
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Reply to my own post: Unfortunately, I just noticed that the enable/bypass state doesn't get saved with the project. So the switch is automatically enabled again when you reopen the project. This behavior should probably be changed. Sorry that I couldn't help.
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/29 10:24:32
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Dave000 and how do In know that down the road if I hit the wrong thing and mess up a track and it has something to do with the R being active.
Switch off the [R!] button in the Control Bar Mix Module. It bypasses all read automation in the project. I THINK it will solve your issue. I don't globally bypass automation read, so I can't be sure.
At this point, I'm honestly not sure what the actual "problem" is. I just tried the global toggle and it does appear to work, but the buttons simply turn to greys instead of blues/whites. Maybe that will do it for Dave.
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/29 10:35:29
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Dave is being pedantic. There is nothing to fix because nothing is broken. No need for a workaround or a change in how CW have made the R button function. It is and always has been a useful feature. To think of it as a problem is an absurdity.
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Re: White [R] does what?
2016/07/29 13:19:07
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Maybe we are all so experienced that we completely forgot about one potential automation-related problem that can easily happen to the OP or any new user who absolutely does not need automation. Here's the scenario: - He accidentally/mistakenly clicks the Automation Lanes button on the track (this happens, doesn't it?). The Volume automation lane opens.
- He wonders, "What's this?," and clicks the button again. The lane disappears. "Phew, what was that? Anyway, it's gone. No problem."
- He continues working on the project and saves the project.
- A few days later, he tries to adjust the track's volume fader in the Console view. The fader jumps back. "What's going on!!!"
IIRC, I've read in this forum that this (except step #2) actually happens to even an experienced user occasionally. Personally, I think clicking the Automation Lanes button for the first time should create a lane with a parameter-unassigned envelope which does nothing. Anyway, I think none of the workarounds suggested in this thread can prevent the above potential problem from happening.
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