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July 24, 16 5:11 PM (permalink)

Export drop out

When I export a project in X3, everything plays as it should except for the drums. They play intermittently. The drop offs have no pattern. If I try to re-export the project some parts that played the first try don't play the second try. Other projects seem to be working OK. Corrupt file perhaps? If so, is it fixable or do I need to reprogram the drum parts? Very frustrating.  Or something else?  Tom
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    Bristol_Jonesey
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    Re: Export drop out July 24, 16 5:17 PM (permalink)
    Which Drum Synth?

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    Re: Export drop out July 24, 16 7:14 PM (permalink)
    I had this exactish problem not with drums but tiny flatlining of the entire mix for a sample time or two. One incident per song, while exporting this one song.
     
    It turned out to be the MJUC Compressor on the bass bus.
    I wasn't willing to mess with what I had going so in order to carry on with it, that song has to be slow exported - audibly cause I want to.
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    Re: Export drop out July 24, 16 7:38 PM (permalink)
    Try freezing the synth before exporting just to muscle through it.
     
    Also try fiddling with your read/write/MIDI/interface buffers.
     
    aaaand if you are using Real Time Bounce disable it. If you AREN'T using Real Time Bounce enable it.
     
    aaaaaand perhaps try enabling or disabling the 64 bit Double Precision Engine option.
     
    Not really any solid answers there but one of those things or a combination of them might get the export done.
     
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    Re: Export drop out July 24, 16 8:01 PM (permalink)
    Sounds like a MIDI buffer too small issue. 
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    Re: Export drop out July 24, 16 9:10 PM (permalink)
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    Sounds like a MIDI buffer too small issue. 


    this is exactly my first thought as well.
    try bumping it up to 500.

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    Re: Export drop out July 25, 16 4:12 AM (permalink)
    The reason I asked "which drum synth" is that if he was running BFD2 then there's a setting on the main screen labelled "offline" which should always be checked prior to exporting, then switched back off for editing etc.

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    Re: Export drop out July 25, 16 6:01 AM (permalink)
    Bristol_Jonesey
    The reason I asked "which drum synth" is that if he was running BFD2 then there's a setting on the main screen labelled "offline" which should always be checked prior to exporting, then switched back off for editing etc.


    good point.

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    Re: Export drop out July 25, 16 9:58 AM (permalink)
    Yeah this caught me out many times when trying to Export or freeze anything with BFD2 in it.
     
     

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    Re: Export drop out July 25, 16 10:12 AM (permalink)
    BFD Eco has that as well and IIRC only needs to be used for non real time exports so my scatter gun blast of a troubleshooting post might have corrected it. Of course it's much better to just use the tool properly (by using the Offline mode as needed) and understand what's up with it. I believe there is even a special "Exporting in Sonar" section in the BFD manual (near the end). I'm guessing BFD3 has corrected this issue by detecting real time versus non real time exports/bounces and making the change automatically (dunno as BFD3 is way out of my price range and I get by pretty well with what I have anyway).
     
    All moot until OP gets back to us but yeah... good call, Jonesey. I think there are similar options in other synths/drum samplers as well.
     
    Just tossing in some extra (possibly useless) thoughts on the subject.
     
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    Re: Export drop out July 25, 16 11:13 AM (permalink)
    Thanks to all for your help. After freezing the synth, I was able to see that my drum parts were the problem. It seems I had a lot of overlapping drum parts that somehow created gaps in the export. Playback is fine in Sonar but didn't work as an export. As a result, I redid the drums and they now export properly. Newbie mistake no doubt. Now a new issue;
     
    The mix sounds clean and crisp in Sonar but the export sounds a bit "dull" with seemingly different sound levels on the various tracks. Any tips on keeping the sound in Sonar the sound I hear, after export?  Again, thanks to all.  Tom
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    Re: Export drop out July 25, 16 11:42 AM (permalink)
    The sound should be identical.
     
    What Export settings are you using?
     
    @Beep - I've got BFD3 as well as 2, but I can't quite get my head around the GUI of BFD3.
    BFD2 was, IMHO, a much easier interface to work with.

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    Re: Export drop out July 25, 16 11:59 AM (permalink)
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    Thanks to all for your help. After freezing the synth, I was able to see that my drum parts were the problem. It seems I had a lot of overlapping drum parts that somehow created gaps in the export. Playback is fine in Sonar but didn't work as an export. As a result, I redid the drums and they now export properly. Newbie mistake no doubt. Now a new issue;
     
    The mix sounds clean and crisp in Sonar but the export sounds a bit "dull" with seemingly different sound levels on the various tracks. Any tips on keeping the sound in Sonar the sound I hear, after export?  Again, thanks to all.  Tom




     
    If you are exporting a 24 or 32 bit project down to 16 bit make sure you have the "Dithering" option enabled. There are also multiple settings for dithering with varying qualities. Usually the Pwr Dither options are best.
     
    Also maybe you have some EQ/Compression on your Master bus. If you use the "Track" export option or choose a "Bus" export that ISN"T the master or the Mains then you lose the effects on the Master. Of course you also need the "FX" option checked off in the Export dialog.
     
    Just some ideas.
     
    @Jonesey... BFD3 does indeed look pretty wacky in the vids I've seen but likely worth the effort. Honestly I'd be more than fine even with BFD2 which I never got around to upgrading to but aside from old stock boxed sets I don't think that's an option anymore. IIRC BFD3 has a lot more routing and environment options. I stopped torturing myself by watching the promos though. lol
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    Re: Export drop out July 25, 16 12:29 AM (permalink)
    @Beepster
     
    I'm not sure how FXpansion have managed to do this but......
     
    All of my BFD2 stock kits can be played in BFD3
    All of my purchased expansion packs will play in BFD2 & BFD3
    The stock kits shipped with BFD3 will only play in BFD3
     
    @agolfnut
     
    At this stage I'd suggest you start a new thread as what you're experiencing has moved away from the OP's problem
     

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    Re: Export drop out July 25, 16 12:48 AM (permalink)
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    @Beepster
     
    I'm not sure how FXpansion have managed to do this but......
     
    All of my BFD2 stock kits can be played in BFD3
    All of my purchased expansion packs will play in BFD2 & BFD3
    The stock kits shipped with BFD3 will only play in BFD3
     



    I think that's because when they sampled the new kits for BFD3 they took into account the new features they were adding and mic'd/sampled it all to create the extra dimensions. Like there's some extra code or something in there that only the new engine can retreive so they not backwards compatible.
     
    I could of course be talking out my butt though because I base that on promo videos I watched ages ago and am extrapolating the situation on that info and what you're saying here.
     
    Also totally threadjacking. lulz...
     
    Sorry to the OP.
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    Re: Export drop out July 25, 16 12:59 AM (permalink)
    I believe it is as simple as:
    BFD3 ships stock kits with samples in flac format
    BFD2 does not play flac format
     
    Although new features and file layout could be an issue too.
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    Re: Export drop out July 25, 16 1:05 PM (permalink)
    scook
    I believe it is as simple as:
    BFD3 ships stock kits with samples in flac format
    BFD2 does not play flac format




    Good info and makes total sense. Cheers.
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    Re: Export drop out July 25, 16 3:01 PM (permalink)
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    I believe it is as simple as:
    BFD3 ships stock kits with samples in flac format
    BFD2 does not play flac format
     
    Although new features and file layout could be an issue too.


    Yeah, that makes sense Steve.
     
    Good info

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