Playing bass under Travis Picking

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2016/07/29 00:09:29 (permalink)

Playing bass under Travis Picking

I enjoy travis picking finger style and am learning bass, but apart from pedaling the root, what's the scope with the bass when the guitar thumbing out a bassline too?

 
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    Re: Playing bass under Travis Picking 2016/08/24 11:39:56 (permalink)
    IME, the bass under a lot of Merle Travis or Chet Atkins records is just following a similar root/5 pattern. However - a lot of those older recordings are stand up bass... the notes are not as defined (almost like a washtub bass) and don't sustain. This adds the low end thump but does not get muddy while the guitar bass notes add the definition and clarity.
     
    The guitar is an octave higher than the bass... so with nicely arranged parts (played cleanly) and a little EQ the two will not interfere with each other...

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    Re: Playing bass under Travis Picking 2016/08/25 23:50:15 (permalink)
    I would go with listening to songs in that style and go from there. If all else fails you can use the old standby, as long as it sounds good.

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    Re: Playing bass under Travis Picking 2016/08/26 00:25:37 (permalink)
    Although I referenced Travis, it's not actually his sound or Chet Atkins type sound, but the technique of thumbing the bass notes, alternating. I'm more leaning towards some of the modern folk music that uses the technique, probably more drawn from Nick Drake, and players influenced by him. Ben Howard springs to mind right now.
     
    I've found Scott's Bass Lessons on Youtube on  walking bass technique helpful.
     
    Just wondered if anyone had some creative ideas on approaching this.  

     
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    Re: Playing bass under Travis Picking 2016/08/26 07:10:47 (permalink)
    I think the notion is that the bass and the guitar are going to interfere with each other because they are both playing bass lines.... but that gets solved with nothing more than EQ and/or arrangement.
     
    SOLVE WITH EQ
    When the guitar is solo, the low end may be left natural, or even boosted a little to bring out the bass notes. This creates a very full sound. When a bass is introduced the guitar will often have an HPF applied (I'd start around 120hz, and likely go higher as needed) to make some space for the bass. The guitar will still be chugging away and you don't know that is isn't "as big" because the low end has shifted to the bass, yet you still hear the guitars low notes cleanly.
     
    SOLVE WITH ARRANGEMENT
    You just have to make sure the two lines work together. There are no rules as long as it sounds good. The only thing you really want to avoid (unless you are after the sound) are two very dissonant notes being played at the same moment.
     
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    I would go with listening to songs in that style and go from there. If all else fails you can use the old standby, as long as it sounds good.

     
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    Re: Playing bass under Travis Picking 2016/08/26 07:25:57 (permalink)
    Thanks. I'm new to bass and a beginner, so was looking for ideas of how other approach. Of course I listen to music with finger style. More often there is no bass, than with bass. Not very often for music to have 2 bass lines, and as well as harmonically, one sets a strict metronomic rhythm
     
    I'll guess I just messing with it
    post edited by Kamikaze - 2016/08/26 07:47:08

     
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    Re: Playing bass under Travis Picking 2016/09/10 20:12:29 (permalink)
    I'm no guru by any means....but I agree that "messing with it " and practicing to find what works in a tune is the best thing that will get ya where ya aiming for.   I also agree with Coda's points   ;o)  

     
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