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2016/07/30 12:28:19 (permalink)

I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review

Thanks Amazon, for providing me with such a reliable way of rejecting a product. I would never buy anything from a company that paid for tainted reviews (unbiased my ass)!
 
Unfortunately this seems to be 75% of the products you find on Amazon these days. They're all at it. 

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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/30 12:33:42 (permalink)
Hmm... I wonder if Cakewalk would like my unbiased opinion about a free SONAR lifetime update? 

 
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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/30 12:35:56 (permalink)
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Hmm... I wonder if Cakewalk would like my unbiased opinion about a free SONAR lifetime update? 


Why oh why would you unbias SONAR? Some tapeop you are. 
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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/30 12:49:04 (permalink)
It's just a phase.

 
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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/30 13:06:53 (permalink)
Reely?

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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/30 13:08:30 (permalink)
I know somebody that does those reviews.  She's pretty honest about them.

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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/30 14:43:24 (permalink)
So is the reviewer who admits to a potential conflict of interest more or less reliable than someone with no history at all? There is a thriving industry in creating phony online store reviews receiving revenue from manufacturers or distributors of the products or services. I expect you would find fewer of the individuals or robots working for such firms to be highly rated enough to receive evaluation copies of products than more or less reliable reviewers chosen by other shoppers. Unless the other shoppers rating the reviewers are phony reviewers or robots as well.
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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/30 16:29:55 (permalink)
free SONAR lifetime update? 
 
I miss out on everything 

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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/30 18:06:51 (permalink)
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So is the reviewer who admits to a potential conflict of interest more or less reliable than someone with no history at all? There is a thriving industry in creating phony online store reviews receiving revenue from manufacturers or distributors of the products or services. I expect you would find fewer of the individuals or robots working for such firms to be highly rated enough to receive evaluation copies of products than more or less reliable reviewers chosen by other shoppers. Unless the other shoppers rating the reviewers are phony reviewers or robots as well.




 
I'm aware that there are other kinds of phony reviews, however you can pretty much spot those immediately by clicking on the user name and seeing their review history. If for example they have 50 reviews all posted on the same day, I'm not going to trust them as far as I could throw them. But whichever way you slice it, there is no denying that someone who has received a free product in exchange for a review has been paid for that review and hence the credibility of that review has been compromised. There will be people out there who have turned receiving free items into a career, and how do you know they deliberately give good reviews in order to make themselves look more attractive as reviewers to companies which give out free stuff? After all, if I was looking to solicit reviews by giving away freebies, the last person I'd select would be a super critical Amazon reviewer who picks fault with everything. 
 
I think what you'll also find as well is that "professional" reviewers will submit reviews of a product almost immediately after receiving it in order to get the review out of the way (and who knows, a quick review submission might be a condition of receiving the freebie). I'd much rather read a review submitted by a genuine customer who has had a chance to use the thing over a period of time to see how it works out in the long run. For instance I once bought a popular brand of humidifier which was great for the first couple of months but then developed a leak. I replaced it on warranty and the new one developed the same problem after a couple of months. So I wrote a bad review outlining this and it was quickly upvoted to the best one-star review. I think part of its popularity as a review was that I pointed out that many of the five-star reviews were written as initial impressions of the humidifier and didn't really reflect its long term performance. 
 
So anyway, while I admit that Amazon reviews were never perfect and should always be taken as a pinch of salt, this latest trend of offering freebies for reviews has tainted their whole review system even further to the point where I'm constantly backing out of product pages because of the domination of these paid reviews. What's also significant is that Amazon does not forbid these paid reviews - how can it after all, when that's exactly what its own "Amazon Vine Program" does as well? They'd be hypocrites. 

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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/30 22:38:01 (permalink)
I feel the standards for creating online copy are pretty low. A company I work with, published an article about the history of Marshall amps. It was just a cobble of other articles stitched together and not good at all. There was a link to other works by the same author so I followed it. Sure enough, there was her article on Marshall amps along with her observations on the Real Housewives of Atlanta and a guide to New England B&B's. Mostly you get what you paid for on the internet. Just read the Wiki pages on somebody you know real well and you may see what I mean.

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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/31 10:55:51 (permalink)
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Thanks Amazon, for providing me with such a reliable way of rejecting a product. I would never buy anything from a company that paid for tainted reviews (unbiased my ass)!
...

 
On another place, there was a discussion about writing reviews of music, and one guy was being a total turkey, saying that writing bad reviews were important and a valuable point of view. For me, I do not write a review if it doesn't tickle me at all ... and because I have a lot of respect for music, in general, I refuse to put it down, although I will often make a fun comment about Metallica, or Strummy's tastes, or someone else's sheep dip lasagna!
 
A couple of years back, someone did ask me to review some albums, and they were about 4 or 5 different bands, that for my ears, sound pretty much the same, and I think they were from the Wayside group, and for some reason, all I could hear in all of those was a FZ wannabe copy, and music that lacked inner feel ... it just wasn't "alive". And I returned it explaining that I could not come up with the right words for it. To this day, my reviews are not ... generic ... and dictated by public taste (yuuukkk ... specially when the conglomerate exaggerates numbers so you think they are right, and they know what's number one and good!) ... my reviews are internal reactions and to me, that meant that there was something in it that was good, or the reaction would not be there.
 
It's just bizarre ... like I would waste my time writing a bad review for many bands! They have a right to their music, but it is not for me to review it. Someone else will do it, instead.
 

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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/31 11:10:20 (permalink)
Moshkito
 
 For me, I do not write a review if it doesn't tickle me at all ... and because I have a lot of respect for music, in general, I refuse to put it down, although I will often make a fun comment about Metallica, or Strummy's tastes, or someone else's sheep dip lasagna!




At least I don't report you for making 'fun' of me, or the music I enjoy

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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/31 12:32:55 (permalink)
Someone has sheep dip lasagna??? 

 
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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/31 12:40:11 (permalink)
I bet Steve didn't even know that there was a connection between A Flock of Seagulls and one of his favorite bands.
 
Turns out, the band name (A Flock of Seagulls) comes from a line in the song "Toiler on the Sea" by the Stranglers, which appears on their album Black And White.
 

 
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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/31 15:37:56 (permalink)


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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/31 22:21:08 (permalink)
sharke
 
 
I'm aware that there are other kinds of phony reviews, however you can pretty much spot those immediately by clicking on the user name and seeing their review history. If for example they have 50 reviews all posted on the same day, I'm not going to trust them as far as I could throw them. But whichever way you slice it, there is no denying that someone who has received a free product in exchange for a review has been paid for that review and hence the credibility of that review has been compromised. There will be people out there who have turned receiving free items into a career, and how do you know they deliberately give good reviews in order to make themselves look more attractive as reviewers to companies which give out free stuff? After all, if I was looking to solicit reviews by giving away freebies, the last person I'd select would be a super critical Amazon reviewer who picks fault with everything. 



No doubt.
 
I agree that anyone getting freebies for reviews is going to be highly incentivized to give good reviews to keep the largess flowing. The question is whether a disclosure of this conflict of interest is helpful in discounting an over-enthusiastic review. It is almost a standard practice among journalists who review products to have the review copy provided free of charge by someone with an interest in the review. Some of them insist that the product only be a loan, rather than a gift, but a long term loan may be in effect, and disclosure of the source and conditions is usually just a perfunctory as the Amazon cases you mention. At another level, it is likely that most reviewers depend indirectly on the product manufacturer's approval for their livelihood. After all, the least likely publication you would select in which to advertise your product is one that would hire a reviewer who denigrates your products. It is extremely unusual to do as Consumer Reports does and purchase review copies anonymously at random retail suppliers and refuse to accept advertising. All product reviews are suspect, and should be evaluated primarily on the basis of the features they describe, and to a lesser extent for the problems they expose. The problems they ignore may not show up in any kind of rating system they use, and of course you will not learn about those from the review. 
 
I disagree that you can locate most false reviews by just checking the reviewer's names or pseudonyms against recent postings. The companies that make their profits from generating positive **** have to be able to fool, not just the casual web visitor, but some perfunctory robotic and human analysis from the sites that they are gaming. There are now companies that market their ability to locate the false reviews of the companies that are faking them.  There is some benefit to knowing that the reviewer has actually purchased the product and that a record appears in the reviewer's account with the site, but that is certainly not a guarantee. It is certainly more useful to know that the reviewer has received payment in kind for the review, than not to know it at all. 
 
I have never considered the most seller website reviews to be worth spit. Mostly they are too short and simple-minded to provide any real information. But my experience with them is more the opposite. A customer who gets burned by purchasing a defective or unsuitable product is more likely than a satisfied customer to post his opinion publicly. I am amazed at the huge proportion of negative reviews on sites like Newegg.com. If anywhere near that proportion of the marketed products were that bad, the company would be out of business.  
 
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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/07/31 22:55:28 (permalink)
I think the difference between a journalist and your average Amazon reviewer though is that the journalist has staked his career on his reputation and thus has far more to lose if he is accused of corruption. 

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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/08/01 08:44:33 (permalink)
I was also really annoyed with Amazon for allowing this......I recently wanted to get one of those 3d Virtual Reality Headsets, but decided not to (after finding out that the majority of reviews done were after people receive freebies).
 
Practically, they're just being paid to lie. It seems that these companies and the people/reviewers that support them will go through any kind of despicable methods in deceiving the public into buying their goods (just for a freebie or some compensation).
 
Sad to say this, but my general (default) outlook on people is to mistrust them first, and wait until they earn that trust. What ever happened to good old fashioned honesty? Just say it like it is.......say what you mean and mean what you say.

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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/08/01 09:28:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/08/01 10:06:12
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What ever happened to good old fashioned honesty? Just say it like it is.......say what you mean and mean what you say.

 
Ok.  I like becan.  Specifically, I'd like some right now. 
 

 
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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/08/01 09:42:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/08/01 12:38:30
My unbiased review of the Coffee House,
 
OK, so first off I was looking for a Daw that would fit my needs, you know, reliable, easy, and with lots of free plugins.  I tried them all, and they were actually very similar.  Each of them had their own learning curve and strengths, but once you mixed your tracks down to a .wav file I couldn't really tell one from the other.
 
So, as you might see, I was confused.  Which one should I choose.  Then one day I stumbled upon the cakewalk forum and my choice became easier to make.  I mean really, the thing that sets Sonar apart from all the others is the forum, especially the coffee house.
 
In the coffee house you can talk about anything you want, even religion and politics if you are sly enough to use coded language.  You will also meet all kinds of really cool people who give serious thought to their responses and are never at all snarky.  The coffee house is so cool that you will often times find yourself spending inordinate amounts of time reading and writing cute responses on practically any subject that could possibly come to mind, even poop.  Sometimes you will spend so much time there that you forget to record music.
 
Most importantly you will make lifelong friends in the coffee house.  In fact I married one of the most popular posters.
 
Well, back to the original review. after much hand wringing and wishy-washy behavior, I chose to purchase Sonar.  It is by far the best daw there ever was, but the coffee house is the gold nugget in the proverbial pouch.  If you are unsure on which daw to go with, as I was, do yourself a favor and visit the coffee house.  You will see what I mean, and you just might find your soul mate, and you will know that Sonar is the bestest daw ever.
 
Jesse Q. Screed
 
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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/08/01 10:03:26 (permalink)
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Moshkito
 
 For me, I do not write a review if it doesn't tickle me at all ... and because I have a lot of respect for music, in general, I refuse to put it down, although I will often make a fun comment about Metallica, or Strummy's tastes, or someone else's sheep dip lasagna!




At least I don't report you for making 'fun' of me, or the music I enjoy




Nahhhh ... you're fine. Stop worrying! It's a little humor and not meant to make fun of your __________room habits!
 
Those are personal, and sometimes not fun, when we get older!
 


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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/08/01 10:06:58 (permalink)
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I bet Steve didn't even know that there was a connection between A Flock of Seagulls and one of his favorite bands.
 
Turns out, the band name (A Flock of Seagulls) comes from a line in the song "Toiler on the Sea" by the Stranglers, which appears on their album Black And White.
 



Mike Howlett, was much more than a name on that band. He became a friend, and we had some fun yapping things up several times. IF, I were to have a music teacher, the person I would choose would be Mike, if he has not yet retired from running a music school in Australia. I love the use of his bass in a lot of that band's material, and it could be considered jazz, rock, canterbury ... so many different touches ... and all of them alive. And in a couple of videos, you get to see him also rip it on free form stuff. Just a very dependable musician and bass player.
 
"Is it too bass'y?"

Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/08/01 12:24:06 (permalink)
Didn't know about that connection.  I've been listening to Bob Nelson's massive discography for the last week and he also produced for a Flock of Seagulls which is how I learned about that Stranglers trivia.
 
That said, I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say that we're all happy that you have a friend! 

 
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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/08/01 12:46:03 (permalink)
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Didn't know about that connection.  I've been listening to Bob Nelson's massive discography for the last week and he also produced for a Flock of Seagulls which is how I learned about that Stranglers trivia.
 
That said, I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say that we're all happy that you have a friend! 




I was sure I'd posted the connection between The Stranglers & A Flock of Seagulls before ...
 
... and I was right: STRAUMMY'S POST FROM FEB 21, 2011
 
Check out the choon too, it's very excellous:
 

 
I had a woman ship, I took her overseas
She left her hold unlocked, I had to find a dock
I was a toiler on the sea...
 
We didn't use cruel words, to navigate cruel seas
The wind was biting hard, at times I had to scream
I was a toiler on the sea...
 
And when we reached the land
We went aground on the rocks
Became a wreck in the sand
Became a home for a flock
We ventured overland
Fought with the aliens
The young ones used their hands
Pointed the way to a flock... A flock of seagulls! A flock of seagulls!
 
Then we retraced our steps, rebuilt the woman ship
I took her back up north, I lost her in the fog
I was a toiler on the sea...

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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/08/01 12:47:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/08/01 15:43:58
 
 
I hope Pedro reviews this song

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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/08/01 13:20:50 (permalink)
Good retort as usual, Strummy.
 
As far as Amazon, I was a very good customer and purchased lots of stuff from them and wrote realistic reviews(maybe cause I didnt gloss them up?)
 
NEVER did they offer anything free
 
 

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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/08/01 14:01:51 (permalink)
I have read news reports where Amazon is looking to ban those paid reviewers and delete their reviews. However, even with those gone I'm still a bit skeptical and will try to find reviews from other sites when considering a major purchase. Luckily, the only times I have seen the paid reviews are for the penny ante kitsch.
 
I have found their review breakout system to be more useful. If the majority of the reviews are in the 1 to 2 star range then I will stay away. But all 5 star ratings is a warning sign too.

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Re: I received this product free in return for my unbiased and honest review 2016/08/01 15:30:50 (permalink)
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craigb
Didn't know about that connection.  I've been listening to Bob Nelson's massive discography for the last week and he also produced for a Flock of Seagulls which is how I learned about that Stranglers trivia.
 
That said, I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say that we're all happy that you have a friend! 




I was sure I'd posted the connection between The Stranglers & A Flock of Seagulls before ...
 
... and I was right: STRAUMMY'S POST FROM FEB 21, 2011
 
Check out the choon too, it's very excellous:
 

 
I had a woman ship, I took her overseas
She left her hold unlocked, I had to find a dock
I was a toiler on the sea...
 
We didn't use cruel words, to navigate cruel seas
The wind was biting hard, at times I had to scream
I was a toiler on the sea...
 
And when we reached the land
We went aground on the rocks
Became a wreck in the sand
Became a home for a flock
We ventured overland
Fought with the aliens
The young ones used their hands
Pointed the way to a flock... A flock of seagulls! A flock of seagulls!
 
Then we retraced our steps, rebuilt the woman ship
I took her back up north, I lost her in the fog
I was a toiler on the sea...




I actually remember that thread and, also the reason why I didn't recall the trivia part: I never read it.  The first thing I saw was the song link which I played and then kept going in the thread while enjoying the music. 

 
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