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Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
It's been a long time since I've been seen in these parts I've been exploring some intervallic ideas along the lines of Bernard Herrmann. Any feedback on how to make this better is certainly welcome. LINK TO MP3: http://bit.ly/2aRB6QNCheers, Jonas
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/04 19:58:14
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I don't know how to improve it, but i know how to compliment it - wonderful!!
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/05 08:44:44
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☄ Helpfulby Kuusniemi 2016/08/09 03:45:49
Jonas, This is a very intricate, detailed piece. I think you did a superb job putting all of it together. About the only thing that could possibly improve it would be some better samples where the instruments sound a little thin and unreal. That's about it. Regards, Dan
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/05 11:02:43
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Do you intend to develop it further, I quite enjoyed what I heard and could have taken some more. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/05 11:41:26
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Jonas, I thought Rod Serling was going to start speaking during this piece:) You definitely nailed Bernard Herrmann's style in the track. Well done. Regards
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/05 12:53:01
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Felt like a scene from an Alfred Hitchcock movie... with closed eyes
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/08 13:09:21
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Short, but oh so sweet. There's a lot going on but it works really well. As mentioned above it's got a very "mystery movie" thing happening - perfect for that. Oh, and I really liked the orchestration.
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/08 15:47:18
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/08 15:48:49
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This could be used in one of those old Twilight Zone episodes at the climax of the BIG TWIST at the end.
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/09 03:29:09
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dcumpian Jonas, This is a very intricate, detailed piece. I think you did a superb job putting all of it together. About the only thing that could possibly improve it would be some better samples where the instruments sound a little thin and unreal. That's about it. Regards, Dan
I agree on the samples, they are not up to the music. The strings the downfall, they simply need to be better sounding for this to fully work. Also I'd consider layering the timpani with a soft bass drum hit to give it a bit of mass. Other than those, this was a fun listen. :)
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/09 18:48:45
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Thanks for the feedback everyone.
The sounds are from Sibelius piping its "mecanico" MIDI into NotePerformer. The advantage of NotePerformer is that it will take board-stiff expressionless notation score MIDI (dynamics, bowing techniques, etc.) and turn it into something that sounds like it was performed by humans by interpreting the dynamics, slurs, articulations, etc, and even introduce good-sounding timing discrepancies. The sounds themselves are physical models and not as realistic as the high-end orchestral samples, but the end result is more musical than if I had sent the same MIDI into VSL (which I have) or other high-end libraries (which I have as well). The tone would be richer, but it would sound very stiff.
I should take the time to play each part in, but that would easily make it 15 times the amount of work.
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/09 18:50:44
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/08/15 14:38:03
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/10 03:00:17
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jsaras Thanks for the feedback everyone.
The sounds are from Sibelius piping its "mecanico" MIDI into NotePerformer. The advantage of NotePerformer is that it will take board-stiff expressionless notation score MIDI (dynamics, bowing techniques, etc.) and turn it into something that sounds like it was performed by humans by interpreting the dynamics, slurs, articulations, etc, and even introduce good-sounding timing discrepancies. The sounds themselves are physical models and not as realistic as the high-end orchestral samples, but the end result is more musical than if I had sent the same MIDI into VSL (which I have) or other high-end libraries (which I have as well). The tone would be richer, but it would sound very stiff.
I should take the time to play each part in, but that would easily make it 15 times the amount of work.
Interesting. Is it possible to run VSL or the other libraries you have through that NotePerformer? Thinking about this I think the Strezov Sampling's Cornucopia Strings would probably have a really good sound for this kind of a track... :)
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/10 09:29:41
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That's not how the software works: http://www.noteperformer.comSibelius does have the capability of using other sample libraries and doing appropriate key-switching, but that's not the same thing.
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/10 09:33:54
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jsaras That's not how the software works: http://www.noteperformer.com
Sibelius does have the capability of using other sample libraries and doing appropriate key-switching, but that's not the same thing.
Bummer. I like the idea, but the sounds it generates sound bad to my ears.
post edited by Kuusniemi - 2016/08/10 09:55:53
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/15 14:10:45
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I beefed up the piece with a lot more percussion. The original link still applies.
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/16 10:17:05
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I think the added percussions give an excellent boost. :)
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/16 22:44:35
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very good piece for that mystery shock movie moment. Impressed how noteperformer gives it human touch. yep it often takes more time adjusting midi articulation to make it sound human, then it does writing the piece! what's next, something in style of Stravinksy? enjoyed it!
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/17 00:04:33
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Thanks Kuusniemi and mikeinFL! NotePerformer feels musical even if its strings aren't up to the standards of the higher-end sample libraries. As someone who is trained as a paper and pencil composer, it's a huge time saver.
I've done bits and pieces of Straviskyesque writing, but it's not something that I connect with emotionally. I'm primarily a jazz guy at heart.
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Re: Bernard Herrmann-inspired orchestral piece
2016/08/21 19:52:26
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I added a wood block part and tweaked the dynamics of some of the percussion parts, mostly the snare and triangle. Same link applies.
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