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2016/08/04 19:48:42 (permalink)

AEA R84 Ribbon Mic

I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on an AEA R84 microphone and possibly one of their preamps too if I can swing the cost. Does anyone have any opinions (good or bad) on these mics? Are there better options for the money?
 
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Re: AEA R84 Ribbon Mic 2016/08/05 00:21:05 (permalink)
Great mics, certainly, universally so for many sources.  What application will you use it on, Double Bass? (judging by the picture)

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Re: AEA R84 Ribbon Mic 2016/08/05 00:27:38 (permalink)
Good stuff.  Their stereo mic is wonderful.

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Re: AEA R84 Ribbon Mic 2016/08/05 08:50:19 (permalink)
This is a piece done with the R84 (thru the aea pre) and a Royer 121 (Green River Pre) set up as a Blumlin pair.
Full Moon
I find myself grabbing the 121 more often than the 84 for mono recording.
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Re: AEA R84 Ribbon Mic 2016/08/05 11:44:51 (permalink)
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I find myself grabbing the 121 more often than the 84 for mono recording.

Why is that? The 121 is the other mic I'm considering. Which AEA preamp are you using? Any comments on that? 
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Re: AEA R84 Ribbon Mic 2016/08/05 12:18:56 (permalink)
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Great mics, certainly, universally so for many sources.  What application will you use it on, Double Bass? (judging by the picture)


Double bass will certainly be one application. Acoustic instruments and vocals (especially male vocals) are other things I want to record. I'd also like to try mid-sides room recording.

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Re: AEA R84 Ribbon Mic 2016/08/05 15:29:20 (permalink)
The AEA is the RPQ-500, great pre; love the EQ on it. You get exactly what you hear in the room
with that on either of the Ribbons. The Great River is a fine piece of kit as well.
I go to the 121 probably because its size and ease of set up, the 84 is a little awkward with the built in cable.
Thanks on the tracks btw, Billy Leach is the writer/performer on Full Moon.
He also did the steel work on Crossroads, my lap work was/is a little weak.
Maybe I should practice a bit?
I much prefer the Blumlin Pair technique to the mid-side stereo.
I added a little "sweetener" on the Full Moon mix,
but basically it was "gorgeous" on the monitors going to disc in the control room.
Probably should have put up a room mic for the verb...
 
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Re: AEA R84 Ribbon Mic 2016/08/06 10:01:10 (permalink)
If you're going to run up the credit card anyway, why not go for broke and get the R44? They've got an "economy" version now that's only $2500, not counting the preamp. 


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Re: AEA R84 Ribbon Mic 2016/08/06 10:06:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/08/17 11:11:36
As long as money is no object, go bapu, and get a pair so you can do stereo!

 
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Re: AEA R84 Ribbon Mic 2016/08/06 10:07:02 (permalink)
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Re: AEA R84 Ribbon Mic 2016/08/06 15:39:17 (permalink)
Actually, my gear history seems to be that if I find a mic I love, I usually end up getting a second one. This is the third strike on the R44c. If I can't afford one, I'll never manage two! 
 
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Re: AEA R84 Ribbon Mic 2016/08/14 14:10:08 (permalink)
First - that's a really lovely recording!! Wow!!

Second, the AEA and Royer microphones are all great. I ended up getting a pair of the R101s because I think they are a little more flexible, where the R84 sounds a LOT like a good old RCA ribbon - which is always a good thing, and sometimes exactly what you want. The Royer microphones, to my ears, are a little more present, some might even say brighter, although I think it is more that they just extend a little further or more smoothly or who the heck tries to describe sound<G>?
 
Oh yeah, they were also more affordable. I use a Millenia Media HV-37 as my main preamplifier, so I can't comment on the AEA, but I can comment on the Great River gear - it is fantastic, a little more colorful than the HV-37, but again, sometimes that is what you want.

And the folks at Royer might complain, but I can't hear the difference between an R-101 and an R-121. Could be my monitors, could be my ears, but I couldn't pick one from the other. I think the R-121 is going to be easier to position, but I'll wrestle a little for the savings<G>!

The combination of the R84 and the R-121 is clearly awesome, so that's another option (for those of us who like to spend other people's money!)
 
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Re: AEA R84 Ribbon Mic 2016/08/16 13:02:16 (permalink)
OK, things just got a lot more complicated.
I emailed Sammy Rothman at AEA and we had a nice exchange during which he asked if I'd considered their N22 or N8 mics. Of course I hadn't, mostly because the R84 just looks so wicked cool. Setting that aside, I stared pouring over the specs and reviews and now I'm thinking their N8 may be the mic of my dreams. In addition, since it uses phantom power, I wouldn't need the specialized preamp and could afford the stereo pair.
 
So now I'm *really* confused. Has anyone tried either of these mics? I'd sure appreciate some feedbackind. The magazines seem to love them, but they seem to love everything.
 
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Re: AEA R84 Ribbon Mic 2016/08/16 13:24:06 (permalink)
one person's opinion!!!

I'm not fond of microphones with built in preamplifiers, it limits (at least a little) my choices. Note that a built in preamplifier is not the same as the built in buffer/head amplifier one finds in condenser microphones.

I really like the Royer "Active" ribbon microphones, and I'd probably never feel the need to use a different preamplifer, but on off chance that I might, well, I ended up with the passive version.

I've also never heard an AES microphone I didn't like and I'd expect that the same would be true for their active microphones. But I'd probably still choose a passive ribbon just for the extra flexibility.

One last observation... while ribbon microphones have, generally speaking, a lower output level than their moving magnet cousins, there aren't a lot of occasions when one is going to run into problems. It depends, of course, on what you are recording, but I very seldom use 60 dB of gain with any of my ribbon microphones, so the extra 10 dB that a preamplifier might provide in "ribbon mode" is not always necessary. Disconnecting the phantom power entirely is a very nice feature, but that is an easy modification should you be so inclined.

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Re: AEA R84 Ribbon Mic 2016/08/17 10:54:11 (permalink)
I use a Grace m101 preamp with my R84.
 
I only do vocals with it.
 
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Re: AEA R84 Ribbon Mic 2016/08/17 21:52:40 (permalink)
I went up to Pasadena to visit AEA and talk about mics & preamps. I got a couple of mics to evaluate and I'll report back on that. While I was there, I saw these...



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