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2016/08/09 06:59:21 (permalink)

New speakers or add a subwoofer?

I have a pair of Alesis M1 Active MK2s in my studio that I've had for about 8 years.  I'm very happy with them, mixed and mastered 100s of songs on them, so I know them very well.
 
I was thinking of getting a subwoofer, but not sure of the right one.   Alternatively (given the age of them), I could replace them with something a bit newer with bigger woofers (Yamaha HS8 or KRK VXT8), therefore negating the requirement of a subwoofer .
 
What does the panel think?
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Re: New speakers or add a subwoofer? 2016/08/09 08:21:31 (permalink)
I think that if you know your current monitors, and are happy with the results you are getting, I'd keep them. 8" monitors aren't necessarily going to negate the need for a subwoofer.
 
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Re: New speakers or add a subwoofer? 2016/08/09 12:31:17 (permalink)
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Re: New speakers or add a subwoofer? 2016/08/09 13:51:06 (permalink)
A good subwoofer can cost as much as better speakers, and I don't know how useful a cheaper subwoofer is.  Sorry, that isn't much help, is it.  You could find a subwoofer that you can switch in and out, just to check the bass.  For less than $500 I'd be inclined to add the sub.  If you have more money, better speakers.  I can think of only a couple of times I've missed something in the bass range on 8-inch speakers that I caught later on bigger mains.

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Re: New speakers or add a subwoofer? 2016/08/09 15:53:26 (permalink)
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I have a pair of Alesis M1 Active MK2s in my studio that I've had for about 8 years.  I'm very happy with them, mixed and mastered 100s of songs on them, so I know them very well.
 
I was thinking of getting a subwoofer, but not sure of the right one.   Alternatively (given the age of them), I could replace them with something a bit newer with bigger woofers (Yamaha HS8 or KRK VXT8), therefore negating the requirement of a subwoofer .
 
What does the panel think?


If you're very happy with them and know them very well, why would you mess with success? I would save the funds and use them when a link in the chain comes up. On the other hand I skip the sub and get some mo betta monitors.
 
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Re: New speakers or add a subwoofer? 2016/08/09 19:08:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2016/08/10 09:45:20
I picked up a Yamaha Sub at Goodwill for $15.. It's awesome. Auto on off. Not sure what it was worth new..looks like part of a good home theater set up.  I only use it to check sub bass content.. I agree with most who will say mixing with a sub will alter your low end translation to other systems. Best to mix on speakers you know real well and only use a sub to check the low end   ( and to impress clients:)
 
So I vote for adding a sub, and they certainly are inexpensive on the second hand market place. You don't need a PA system sub. Mine is only an 8" and it rattles the dishes.
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Re: New speakers or add a subwoofer? 2016/08/11 19:00:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/08/12 11:06:39
I used those same speakers for 2+ years and was pretty happy with them, too. When it came time to upgrade, I discovered that a significant improvement was going to cost a lot. In my case, the replacement speakers were $2600. Definitely a step up, but the improvement-to-price increase was not linear.
 
Figure on spending a minimum of $1500 (likely more) to replace your current speakers, versus $300-500 for a competent subwoofer.
 
Not only will adding a sub save you money, it may even outperform a more expensive system that doesn't need a sub. That's because speaker placement is critical for low frequencies, and having them coming out of a separate box means you can experiment with moving them around the room to find the best spot. If, OTOH, you get high-end full-range speakers that don't need a sub to fill out the low end, their placement is predestined with little room for adjustment.
 
IIRC, your Alesis speakers should be reasonably flat to ~60Hz or so. That means a sub will need to handle less than two octaves, meaning you don't have to spend a lot of money. As long it's capable from 30 Hz to 70 Hz it'll positively contribute to your mixes. Something like this will fill the bill on the cheap. (Yes, you can spend a whole lot more, but 2 grand on a sub is not a great ROI.)
 
So now that I've sold you on the sub, I'll try to talk you out of it.
 
Not hearing frequencies below 60 Hz isn't necessarily a bad thing. You can still check for excessive or insufficient loudness in that range using visual aids; believe it or not, for most genres it isn't technically necessary to actually hear them. (The possible exception being EDM, which typically features a lot of very low frequency content and is often played back on systems specifically designed to reproduce them.) 
 
Not having frequencies below 60 Hz means they also can't cause problems. And the biggest problems in any monitoring environment are down there. In most rooms, there will be resonances in the first two octaves that you will not be able to easily mitigate with acoustical treatments. Unless you're prepared to seriously study the science of acoustics and/or hire said expertise, you're probably better off just staying out of those bottom octaves altogether.
 
Now, all of the above is predicated on the assumption that money is a concern. But if money is no object, forget everything I just said. Take about 40 grand, split between full-range mains, dual subs and an acoustician.


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Re: New speakers or add a subwoofer? 2016/08/12 06:41:33 (permalink)
Thanks @bitflipper.  Money is no object, so I think I'll go for the full range mains you recommend.  I'll need 7.1 too, so hopefully I can get a good deal :-)
 
Seriously, thanks all for the input.
 
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