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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/10 16:27:11
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Jarsve
Metal all the way....
The sound is the most important aspect. If it sounds too different its just usable as an effect.
Stay Metal!!!
I think it's really good you are exploring new plectrum options. I've been meaning to check out your new tunes (sorry, been busy as you've probably seen) but remember all that "tone" stuff I was talking about in some of our conversations a while back? I could definitely see the Nylon Dunlops being part of what was causing the issues.
I seriously dislike those picks and I think the only reason they were so common/popular for so long was because there simply were not very many pick options back in the day. You had the crappy plastic ones that wore down insanely quick (and in my case simple exploded into shards in my hands) and the Dunlop nylons.
Sure there were weird specialty picks like the "Stubby's" and whatnot but they weren't very common.
I actually used "Big Stubby's" for a while when I was younger (to avoid exploding picks and the sucktastic nylon ones) but they were like playing with a friggen' cough drop. Once I found the Tortex ones I never looked back.
Cheers.
Its too long since I've owned them. Back then i didn't like that they they didn't have groves ore some sort of gripping. Felt like the pick was moving. but their sheep so I'll try them. the sharpest in 1,5mm
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/10 18:05:37
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☄ Helpfulby Jarsve 2016/08/10 18:29:28
I used metal picks for a while, mainly for flatpicking on acoustic guitar. Even though I used 0.013 strings at the time, I always seemed to end up breaking my G-string fairly quickly (dammit it's just impossible to say that without the connotations).
I really like the sound of metal on string though. I got into metal picks from playing banjo with steel fingerpicks and once you get used to them they don't slow you down at all but produce this massive sound. I also used metal fingerpicks on acoustic guitar for a while but suffered the same string breaking problem (and scratched the hell out of the top of my guitar).
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/11 11:21:32
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Just ordered these: Dava Control Mini Combo 5 Pack Tips Guitar Picks 5/Bag!http://www.ebay.com/itm/161980954490 Will buy some Tortex when i am on the local music shop. mainly the 1,35 and 1,5 with sharp point! I think i ditch the all metal ones. I dont want to break strings. Maybe later. The Dava Combo has one with metal tip so i can test it out.
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/11 15:21:02
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After playing for years nothing but Fender Mediums, one of my godsons turned me on recently to Jim Dunlop Primetones...the ones with the grip surface. I use a 1.4mm big triangle for acoustic playing and a 1.0mm standard size for electric playing. I was gobsmacked by the difference in tone and playability. I love em. Not cheap though.
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/11 17:22:42
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After playing for years nothing but Fender Mediums, one of my godsons turned me on recently to Jim Dunlop Primetones...the ones with the grip surface. I use a 1.4mm big triangle for acoustic playing and a 1.0mm standard size for electric playing. I was gobsmacked by the difference in tone and playability. I love em. Not cheap though.
i have it. they sound great and play well, but they i got is to soft. but for acoustic it is great.
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/11 20:59:54
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I use tortex picks (usually the .88's) sometimes, fender steel picks (mediums), but my favorites are the old Hot Licks copper picks. They sound awesome and flex nicely. The only drawback to them is that the tips of your thumb and forefinger turn a little green after playing for a few hours.
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/12 10:54:25
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The only drawback to them is that the tips of your thumb and forefinger turn a little green after playing for a few hours.
green with envy?
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/22 09:32:03
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/22 09:53:56
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Good choice. As for pick control ("knowing" where the pick is) practicing scales and doing various exercises regularly will help. Actually if you are talking about what I THINK you are talking about one of the most effective exercises for you might be two 8ve 1st position arpeggios. I do these using the chord steps of keys. I haven't done them in a while but basically it's an entire sequence starting in the key of C, playing the 1st position chord arps for all 7 triads to the second octave then moving on to the next key in the Circle of Fifths. I play it straight through until I come back around to the key of C again.
Kind of hard to explain in text (and really quite tricky to play) but it is EXCELLENT for both left and right hand technique, ear training, proper phrasing, understanding keys and basic triads/chords, etc.
The BEST part though is all the "shapes" the 1st position chords/arps create which can be moved up for solos and what not.
It's like CAGED theory on steroids.
Cheers.
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/22 12:12:02
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 Clayton Ultem is remarkable for creating crisp clean tones, on even the dullest of strings. This pick is made of the highest grade material to ensure your guitar produces the cleanest, brightest tone available. This pick closely resembles the true sound of actual tortoiseshell that is so widely desired. However, it will not fracture like tortoiseshell and is one of the strongest picks on the market. Available in 3 shapes – Rounded Triangle, Standard, and Small Teardrop Available in 8 gauges – .38mm, .45mm, .56mm, .72mm, .80mm, .94mm, 1.07mm, and 1.20mm or  John Pearse® FAST TURTLES NOW available in 5 different gauges with the addition of the EXTRA THIN [1mm!!!}to the THIN [1.2mm], MEDIUM [2.5mm w/Dimple], HEAVY [3.2mm w/Dimple] and EXTRA HEAVY [4mm w/Dimple].
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/22 17:14:13
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Beepster
Good choice. As for pick control ("knowing" where the pick is) practicing scales and doing various exercises regularly will help. Actually if you are talking about what I THINK you are talking about one of the most effective exercises for you might be two 8ve 1st position arpeggios. I do these using the chord steps of keys. I haven't done them in a while but basically it's an entire sequence starting in the key of C, playing the 1st position chord arps for all 7 triads to the second octave then moving on to the next key in the Circle of Fifths. I play it straight through until I come back around to the key of C again.
Kind of hard to explain in text (and really quite tricky to play) but it is EXCELLENT for both left and right hand technique, ear training, proper phrasing, understanding keys and basic triads/chords, etc.
The BEST part though is all the "shapes" the 1st position chords/arps create which can be moved up for solos and what not.
It's like CAGED theory on steroids.
Cheers.
do you have any tabs for this training? yea. soft picks are to wobbly and i cant get the feel of timing. you just move the pick down and up hoping it will work out. with 0 control. now i have to re learn playing like its supposed to.. lol
post edited by Jarsve - 2016/08/22 17:38:24
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/22 17:16:08
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Clayton Ultem is remarkable for creating crisp clean tones, on even the dullest of strings. This pick is made of the highest grade material to ensure your guitar produces the cleanest, brightest tone available. This pick closely resembles the true sound of actual tortoiseshell that is so widely desired. However, it will not fracture like tortoiseshell and is one of the strongest picks on the market.
Available in 3 shapes – Rounded Triangle, Standard, and Small Teardrop
Available in 8 gauges – .38mm, .45mm, .56mm, .72mm, .80mm, .94mm, 1.07mm, and 1.20mm
or
John Pearse® FAST TURTLES
NOW available in 5 different gauges with the addition of the EXTRA THIN [1mm!!!}to the THIN [1.2mm], MEDIUM [2.5mm w/Dimple], HEAVY [3.2mm w/Dimple] and EXTRA HEAVY [4mm w/Dimple].
the latest looks interesting. first one is too thin....
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Re: The great pick thread
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/22 18:38:42
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Jarsve
do you have any tabs for this training?
yea. soft picks are to wobbly and i cant get the feel of timing. you just move the pick down and up hoping it will work out. with 0 control. now i have to re learn playing like its supposed to.. lol
I have tons of stuff tabbed out (by hand) but alas I have not yet tackled that beast of an exercise. It will be pages upon pages of tab though when I do it in it's entirety and unfortunately it's not like other scales/exercises where you can just say "Play this, move it up the neck, play it again". It will be part of the lesson plan stuff I've been working on for ages now... which I need to start working on again soon but I'm currently obsessed with finishing my old bands album.
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/23 05:03:52
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1.20 is too thin?
Yeah it is. Of course depends on the material, but for most, that's to thin. for me that's it
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/23 05:05:36
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Beepster
Jarsve
do you have any tabs for this training?
yea. soft picks are to wobbly and i cant get the feel of timing. you just move the pick down and up hoping it will work out. with 0 control. now i have to re learn playing like its supposed to.. lol
I have tons of stuff tabbed out (by hand) but alas I have not yet tackled that beast of an exercise. It will be pages upon pages of tab though when I do it in it's entirety and unfortunately it's not like other scales/exercises where you can just say "Play this, move it up the neck, play it again".
It will be part of the lesson plan stuff I've been working on for ages now... which I need to start working on again soon but I'm currently obsessed with finishing my old bands album.
this is playing through all mods of a key and take another key and fallow up?
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/23 06:52:39
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Jarsve
this is playing through all mods of a key and take another key and fallow up?
Yanno... I totally spaced on the fact you are a piano player (an educated one too). That makes it easier to explain without reams of tab. Still a bit wacky though so let me wake up a bit and I'll see if I can slap something together that'll make sense.
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/23 13:39:21
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whos Yanno?
well. I'm not educated, but self thought.
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/25 12:05:04
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a long time ago... the band i was in at that time, had a drummer who had an older set of paiste sound edge hi hats... and eventually they cracked. i took a piece of the hi hat, and used a jig saw and cut out TWO pieces of hi hat in the shape of a elongated heart, about the size of a standard Fender Medium (one for me, one for my other guitar player) once we got the shape down, we used files and sandpaper to smooth the edges out just right... these sounded AMAZING on fresh strings with a slightly driven marshall. they were hell on the strings, tho, maybe you'd get two gig nights out a set. but the sound..... whoa. i don't know whatever happened to either one of them, lost to time, but i've always kinda wanted another one like it. closest i've found: https://www.etsy.com/listing/121430155/bronze-cymbal-guitar-pick-1mm-351 but this is cool too: https://www.etsy.com/listing/119671587/double-heart-mini-guitar-pick-in-copper?ref=related-2 tho this one makes more sense: https://www.etsy.com/listing/161347456/bronze-guitar-pick-handmade-with-i-pick this is cool too: http://www.timber-tones.com/metal-tones-bronze-1-guitar-pick-886-p.asp and this might be the most bad @ss: http://www.metalguitarpicks.com/ of course, Clayton, the pick manufacturer i listed before, also makes metal picks: http://www.steveclayton.com/metallics.php
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/25 12:28:33
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a long time ago...
the band i was in at that time, had a drummer who had an older set of paiste sound edge hi hats...
and eventually they cracked.
i took a piece of the hi hat, and used a jig saw and cut out TWO pieces of hi hat in the shape of a elongated heart, about the size of a standard Fender Medium (one for me, one for my other guitar player)
once we got the shape down, we used files and sandpaper to smooth the edges out just right...
these sounded AMAZING on fresh strings with a slightly driven marshall.
they were hell on the strings, tho, maybe you'd get two gig nights out a set.
but the sound..... whoa.
i don't know whatever happened to either one of them, lost to time,
but i've always kinda wanted another one like it.
closest i've found:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/121430155/bronze-cymbal-guitar-pick-1mm-351
but this is cool too:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/119671587/double-heart-mini-guitar-pick-in-copper?ref=related-2
tho this one makes more sense:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/161347456/bronze-guitar-pick-handmade-with-i-pick
this is cool too:
http://www.timber-tones.com/metal-tones-bronze-1-guitar-pick-886-p.asp
and this might be the most bad @ss:
http://www.metalguitarpicks.com/
of course, Clayton, the pick manufacturer i listed before, also makes metal picks:
http://www.steveclayton.com/metallics.php
Really cool picks. I have a dremel and some coins, so why not trying to make my own metal coin pick.
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/25 12:50:27
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yes , to me, that's a personal thing, it means more but it's cool to know there are so many options... i'm gonna find one soon. for the longest time, i've used dunlop nylons, .73 & .88, but i cut them into a custom shape:  i learned this playing so many clubs back in the day, but if you cut a nylon pick, and want to smooth it's edges down, all you have to do is kneel down to the carpet (the clubs always have stinky nylon carpets), drag the pick edge quickly across the carpet in long quick drags, and it will instantly smooth off the edges.... that's how i still do it to this day, albeit not on my carpet at my house!! LOL the .88 is my favorite with THIS shape... the shorter point, makes the pick stiffer and more responsive, but the fat end (which is a typical pick shape) is easier for me to hold onto.. plus, if i want to do some snappy funky chording, the nylon still has enough give for me to dig into rhythms hard, but still grip the pick tight.
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/25 13:25:25
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Fender Medium White
I like the strength and flexibility of the Fender medium pick. And in WHITE because it's easy to see on the floor of a dark stage.
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/25 14:00:31
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Jarsve
whos Yanno?
The Japanese brother of Yanni?  (Actually, he's just mashing "You know" into "Ya know" and, finally, "Yanno."  )
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/25 14:37:34
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Jarsve
whos Yanno?
The Japanese brother of Yanni?
(Actually, he's just mashing "You know" into "Ya know" and, finally, "Yanno.")
Ahhh
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/25 15:10:53
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I mostly play guitar without a pick, but when I use one I find small picks give much better control (and pinched harmonics) than large ones. And they need to be pretty stiff to work at speed. Not that I'm a shredder, but I hate picks where I have to wait for the pick to catch up.
I used Dunlop small stubby 2mm for many years, then a few years ago switched to the heaviest tortex jazz pick, it's release from the string is very nearly as good as a small stubby while being easier to manipulate without dropping. I've just bought a pack of the carbon-fibre Jazz IIIs, which have a rough grip area and are a bit stiffer than tortex. So far I like them.
Bass, on the other hand, I usually play with a pick. Mostly Dunlop 1.2mm nylons, partly because I find they work or me and partly because they're white.
All picks should be white and glow in the dark. That way I wouldn't have lost anything like as many at gigs. Though Jim Dunlop would have seen their pick sales reduced quite a bit....
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Re: The great pick thread
2016/08/25 15:49:20
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I mostly play guitar without a pick, but when I use one I find small picks give much better control (and pinched harmonics) than large ones. And they need to be pretty stiff to work at speed. Not that I'm a shredder, but I hate picks where I have to wait for the pick to catch up.
I used Dunlop small stubby 2mm for many years, then a few years ago switched to the heaviest tortex jazz pick, it's release from the string is very nearly as good as a small stubby while being easier to manipulate without dropping. I've just bought a pack of the carbon-fibre Jazz IIIs, which have a rough grip area and are a bit stiffer than tortex. So far I like them.
Bass, on the other hand, I usually play with a pick. Mostly Dunlop 1.2mm nylons, partly because I find they work or me and partly because they're white.
All picks should be white and glow in the dark. That way I wouldn't have lost anything like as many at gigs. Though Jim Dunlop would have seen their pick sales reduced quite a bit....
They have to sell right. Hvite is almost always the thinnest and useless picks
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