vladasyn
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Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
Hey there
I have a backing vocal clip that I need to align with the main vocal clip. When I insert regional effect, it shows half gray half orange track, I see it trying to align it, but when I click "Render", the backing vocal clip becomes flat line and no sound is playing on playback. I have another similar backing vocal and it aligns just fine with main track, but this one turns flat line don't matter what I do. Why? Thank you.
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Zargg
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Re: Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
2016/08/18 11:21:15
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Hi. I have not seen this before. Maybe try to bounce the track to itself, or to a new track and try with that?
Best of luck.
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Re: Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
2016/08/18 11:34:59
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If it's in a Take Lane, it might be muted or the track itself might be muted.
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vladasyn
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Re: Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
2016/08/18 23:45:42
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Thank you for your reply.
No, it is not muted in take lane or track. And it turns flat line even if I vocal sync it to other track that has the same words in it (another take on another track).
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DJ Darkside
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Re: Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
2016/08/19 02:03:20
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I have seen this before and I did find a work around: - Select the clip that you want to to 'VocalSync' and split before and after the portion you would like to effect.
- Clip the portion you want to affect and then bounce the clip.
- Place 'VocalSync' on the clip
- Make the adjustments needed
That should do the trick? Let me know if that works for you.
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chuckebaby
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Re: Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
2016/08/19 06:39:53
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a few things about vocal synch.
I never try and synch a whole clip. only small portions, no more than a few seconds long.
Also, I find when some parts a too far off: adjust them manually with the Nudge feature, then use V Synch.
VS is a very productive tool and I would be lost with out it. I use it on every single mix to tighten things up.
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Re: Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
2016/08/19 07:41:23
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If you can submit a sample project that has this problem we'd like to take a look at it.
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DJ Darkside
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Re: Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
2016/08/19 08:20:37
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Sorry for the added rant, but can't help it! Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
If you can submit a sample project that has this problem we'd like to take a look at it.
I have been waiting for 3 weeks to even get into Sonar. Application crashes at launch.... And something as simple as an issue with VocalSync gets more attention than my issue? Wow!
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vladasyn
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Re: Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
2016/08/24 02:30:03
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I have been waiting for 3 weeks to even get into Sonar. Application crashes at launch.... And something as simple as an issue with VocalSync gets more attention than my issue? Wow! If the application crashes, it is a local problem on your computer. It is worth of tech support attention but not likely a bug (which is possible too). For most of us Sonar is not crashing on start. Vocal sync issue that makes a wave disappear is interesting. How does it do it/ Is it flipping the phase? This is some kind of algorithm problem (or not)- interesting. Sonar crashing- boring. To be honest- it been crashing here for years- nothing to get excited about. How do I submit a project? Would I have to upload somewhere?
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bladetragic
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Re: Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
2016/08/24 18:24:04
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I've seen this and all kinds of wacky behavior with Vocal Sync. It's been documented here before. I hope Vocal Sync gets some serious attention soon. It definitely needs it.
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Re: Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
2016/08/24 18:35:50
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bladetragic
I've seen this and all kinds of wacky behavior with Vocal Sync. It's been documented here before. I hope Vocal Sync gets some serious attention soon. It definitely needs it.
I haven't seen anything "Wacky" about Vocal Synch. it works flawless here. care to share these strange things your seeing ?
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Re: Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
2016/08/24 18:59:05
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chuckebaby
bladetragic
I've seen this and all kinds of wacky behavior with Vocal Sync. It's been documented here before. I hope Vocal Sync gets some serious attention soon. It definitely needs it.
I haven't seen anything "Wacky" about Vocal Synch. it works flawless here.
care to share these strange things your seeing ?
I've noticed the behavior the op is talking about, plus other random behavior. Vocal Sync analyzing waves totally wrong and out of sync, random clicks and pops when trying to use vocal sync, etc. And the worst of them all. The blast of noise that can sometimes occur when using Vocal Sync which has been documented by multiple users. Here's multiple threads about it.: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Big-Noise-When-Using-VocalSync-m3294020.aspx http://forum.cakewalk.com...?high=vocal+sync+noise
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chuckebaby
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Re: Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
2016/08/24 19:58:33
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bladetragic
chuckebaby
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I've seen this and all kinds of wacky behavior with Vocal Sync. It's been documented here before. I hope Vocal Sync gets some serious attention soon. It definitely needs it.
I haven't seen anything "Wacky" about Vocal Synch. it works flawless here.
care to share these strange things your seeing ?
I've noticed the behavior the op is talking about, plus other random behavior. Vocal Sync analyzing waves totally wrong and out of sync, random clicks and pops when trying to use vocal sync, etc.
And the worst of them all. The blast of noise that can sometimes occur when using Vocal Sync which has been documented by multiple users. Here's multiple threads about it.:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Big-Noise-When-Using-VocalSync-m3294020.aspx
http://forum.cakewalk.com...?high=vocal+sync+noise
like I said, I haven't had one issue with it. I use it multiple times on every single project I have because its almost a short cut to using Melodyne, which I also use on almost every project. but I will keep an eye out for this loud blast of noise thing you talked about. I kind of feel bad you cant enjoy the benefits of this great Region FX tool that Vocal Synch is. the tool is the best. have you tried using it on a track with no FX. Drag and select, right click on the selected area and choose Region FX / vocal synch ? this is the way I use it (only I do have FX in the tracks I use it in. not many but some) my typical workflow consists of setting approx. levels, listening for out of synch, out of key vocal lines, fixing them first before adding more FX in the mixing stages.
post edited by chuckebaby - 2016/08/24 20:24:10
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Re: Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
2016/08/24 20:39:08
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DJ Darkside
Sorry for the added rant, but can't help it!
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
If you can submit a sample project that has this problem we'd like to take a look at it.
I have been waiting for 3 weeks to even get into Sonar. Application crashes at launch.... And something as simple as an issue with VocalSync gets more attention than my issue? Wow!
Unless your issue is reproducible, or encountered by more than a couple people, there's no way Cakewalk can give it attention. If your issue was inherent in SONAR, it would be a huge topic of discussion here. For all we know, you're using ASIO4ALL and 3rd party plug-ins that have issues. Remember, SONAR is very strict about following the VST spec - not to upset people, but to make sure that it works with plug-ins that are equally careful about following the spec. I sympathize with people who can't get things working, but like Chuck, I don't have problems with VocalSync (at least ones that aren't human error). Issues like clicks and pops are an inherent part of the preview process until rendered because complex calculations are being done in real time. Also VocalSync needs to be used on relatively short sections, the guide track has to be specified correctly, and it's important to understand that turning the dial clockwise doesn't mean "more sync." The sweet spot could be anywhere along that dial's continuum. As I've often said, if the problem isn't with SONAR, continuing to look for a problem within SONAR will just lead to frustration. When I found out that the majority of SONAR sessions use ASIO4ALL instead of drivers written for a true ASIO interface, I started to realize part of why there's a disparity between the "SONAR doesn't work" and "SONAR works fine for me" posts. Of course ASIO4ALL isn't the only culprit (and it can work), but there are Windows elements, dependencies, required library updates, and so on. SONAR's performance is dependent on the host system. Also because it's not a cross-platform program, its hooks go deep into Windows. If the host system sneezes, SONAR will catch a cold.
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vladasyn
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Re: Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
2016/08/24 22:44:25
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It is very common to blame everything on some one else. When talking with 3rd party plugin's tech support, they will say, it is not us, it is the Host. When talking to Host tech support, they say, "it is not us, it is Windows". When talking to Microsoft, they say- it is not us, it is the hardware and drivers, and so on. Right now my Sonar is being stable, except minor annoyances. Vocal sync is an example of one of them. I built my computer myself from parts, installed Windows per protocol, all drivers as available on motherboard web site. What else can I do?
This is not first time Vocal Sync does this to the vocal clip. Note that the clip has to words with the break in between and is synched to the clip with the 3 words (no empty spot). My guess is- it can not relate 2 words with break to 3 words with no break. For example, lets say I want to use reference clip, "Golden sun arising" and synch "Golden.... arising" to it, it can not align Golden with Golden, skip "sun" and align "arising" to "arising". It makes 2 words clip become flat line with no sound. But weird part is that I had 3 similar clips, 2 of them aligned fine, and one would not alight. Same words, synched to the same track- turning in to a flat light.
Nobody tells me how to submit a project if I can copy the clips in to new project. Also it may not be the same in the new project as it would count algorithm differently.
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bladetragic
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Re: Why is vocal sync turning vocal clip in to a flat line?
2016/08/24 23:04:39
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chuckebaby
bladetragic
chuckebaby
bladetragic
I've seen this and all kinds of wacky behavior with Vocal Sync. It's been documented here before. I hope Vocal Sync gets some serious attention soon. It definitely needs it.
I haven't seen anything "Wacky" about Vocal Synch. it works flawless here.
care to share these strange things your seeing ?
I've noticed the behavior the op is talking about, plus other random behavior. Vocal Sync analyzing waves totally wrong and out of sync, random clicks and pops when trying to use vocal sync, etc.
And the worst of them all. The blast of noise that can sometimes occur when using Vocal Sync which has been documented by multiple users. Here's multiple threads about it.:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Big-Noise-When-Using-VocalSync-m3294020.aspx
http://forum.cakewalk.com...?high=vocal+sync+noise
like I said, I haven't had one issue with it. I use it multiple times on every single project I have because its almost a short cut to using Melodyne, which I also use on almost every project.
but I will keep an eye out for this loud blast of noise thing you talked about.
I kind of feel bad you cant enjoy the benefits of this great Region FX tool that Vocal Synch is. the tool is the best.
have you tried using it on a track with no FX. Drag and select, right click on the selected area and choose Region FX / vocal synch ? this is the way I use it (only I do have FX in the tracks I use it in. not many but some)
my typical workflow consists of setting approx. levels, listening for out of synch, out of key vocal lines, fixing them first before adding more FX in the mixing stages.
Yes, the noise problem seems to have something to due with tracks that either have some type of fx on them or are sent to busses w/ fx of some sort. The workaround that seems to work for the noise problem is routing the track I am trying to sync directly to the output of my soundcard (I'm guessing this works to bypass the bus fx). However, this should not be seen as a fix and is very counterintuitive to workflow, especially considering I do a lot of work with Pop and R&B songwriters/artists with LOTS of vocal harmonies and stacks. These sessions can sometimes be over a hundred tracks. But clearly this is not just a problem I'm having as the threads show that several users have experienced it. The other problems are a bit sporadic and hard to pin down.
post edited by bladetragic - 2016/08/24 23:27:54
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