Advice Needed

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2016/08/21 11:19:27 (permalink)

Advice Needed

I've just bought a laptop for my new place and i'm wondering if i can get away with your standard headphone amp like £50-£80 (behring-asus) or will i have to splash out for an interface eventually. my main set of headphones are Sennheiser hd25 II's. any help on this would be greatly appreciated as no product websites use words like (great for music production) etc. 
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    Re: Advice Needed 2016/08/21 12:38:06 (permalink)
    Sonar needs a proper audio interface to function. I work with my laptop sometimes while on the road and all you can do is a bit of editing. Forget loading up a bunch of plug ins,, it will bring your on board card to it's knees. Drop outs and stuttering, things get ugly fast. MME mode just doesn't cut it.
    If your brave you can try asio4all if you don't plan on buying a audio interface. 
    I refuse to install asio4all because then when I do have my interface connected it will screw that up

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    Re: Advice Needed 2016/08/22 05:17:58 (permalink)
    Just for the headphones, there's no need to buy an interface or not even a headphone amp, but as Cactus writes, you won't regret getting a decent interface. It'll make your life a lot easier.

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    Re: Advice Needed 2016/08/22 08:39:45 (permalink)
    If the question is simply "will an audio interface do better as a headphone amplifier?", then the answer is "probably not".
     
    A dedicated headphone amp will usually be superior to the headphone amps built in to most audio interfaces. Although higher-end interfaces typically have decent headphone amplifiers, the entry-level products you're likely considering do not. At least, I've yet to hear one in the < $1,000 price range that compares to a good standalone headphone amp.
     
    Although Cactus' advice about external interfaces is totally legit, not everybody actually needs one. If you're working solo (no need for multiple headphones and headphone mixes) and doing 100% ITB productions (instrumentals using only soft synths and/or samplers), then you might just get away with using the integrated audio interface in your laptop. 
     
    However, if you plan on using a microphone for anything, then the integrated audio interface in your laptop will not be satisfactory. If two or more people need to monitor simultaneously, the integrated audio will not be satisfactory. If you want to switch between multiple speakers/headphones, the integrated audio won't be satisfactory. So whether you need an external interface or not depends on what kind of music you're producing, what instruments you employ, whether you collaborate with other musicians, and if you'll always be using one pair of headphones for all monitoring.
     
    Eventually you're going to want to hear your projects through reliable speakers rather than just headphones. You'll find that music mixed and mastered on any headphones are going to be hit-and-miss as far as how they ultimately sound on other peoples' speakers and headphones. Quality speakers for monitoring will remove some of that uncertainty and improve consistency. At that point you're going to want a good audio interface.
     
    Whether or not you buy an interface, those Senns will benefit from a headphone amp. You'll be able to play them much more loudly before distortion sets in, and the frequency response will be flatter. You've spent good money on nice headphones so it'd be a shame to go cheap on amplification.
     


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    Re: Advice Needed 2016/08/22 09:52:18 (permalink)
    If you are thinking of spending $100 on a headphone amp, an interface is a much better investment.  The latency will be better, most likely, the output will be higher-quality with more than a $2 DA converter, you have more flexibility with the out and the possibility of recording acoustics.
     
    Penny wise, pound foolish applies to music hardware as much as anything else.  Besides, a built-in card has a much higher probability of causing music problems during the length of use.  Once you get an interface set up, it is reasonably stable.  You'll spend a lot more time making music than coming back here, asking why your card can't do X,Y and Z.

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    Re: Advice Needed 2016/08/22 10:49:00 (permalink)
    Just a note: 
    Putting a headphone amp in line with the output from a laptops 1/8" output jack is pointless. 
    Your laptops $4 D/A is still involved. 
    The best amp in the world won't cover for el cheapo A/D. 
     
    And one thing to always be aware of is MME mode timing offset. 
    One really needs to work in ASIO mode with Sonar for proper syncing of tracks. 
     

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    Re: Advice Needed 2016/08/22 16:53:32 (permalink)
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    Just a note: 
    Putting a headphone amp in line with the output from a laptops 1/8" output jack is pointless. 
    Your laptops $4 D/A is still involved. 
    The best amp in the world won't cover for el cheapo A/D.



    This is an excellent point, and the reason why some audiophiles who aren't at all interested in recording/mixing music still invest in a small audio interface to play back their music (for the AD/DA converters). 
     
    Also, the HD25 II's are low impedance, so even your average budget interface's headphone amp should have no problem driving them adequately.
     
    There are plenty of good quality budget interfaces, most starting around $100 USD in price.  

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    Re: Advice Needed 2016/08/22 19:21:28 (permalink)
    I wonder if Mac Books have better audio D/A ??
    They certainly have the driver thing figured out. But I would imagine the D/A headphone output is made in the same factory in China as those found on HP, Dell , ASUS etc.

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