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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/08/31 17:44:36
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/08/31 17:45:24
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Chiros can be "helpful" temporarily. Physiotherapists can change your life. I'm serious, man. I've recovered a couple times and got to keep on living a real life a little longer thanks to the methods and professionals I mentioned.... against serious (and unforeseen) odds. The things they taught me even though I don't have access to such treatment anymore have made so maybe... someday, I'll have a little Beepster Rennaisance before shuffling off to my mortal coil. Once you get your back lined up again and the massive flareups abate you need to work on STRENGTH and flexibilty WITHIN THE PARAMATERS of what your spine will allow. Once you can move freely again you work all the supportive muscles needed to "favor" your chronic injuries. Then you have less flare ups, you get stronger and life becomes more enjoyable. This is what I do/work for EVERY day when I'm not cramming my brain full of useful music stuff. Physio, dood. DO EEET!!!
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/08/31 18:01:53
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eph221 Yes, I have a herniated disc. I've had it for many years and it only flares every now and then when I sleep on it wrong. As I get older I get various aches and pains as well. I'd do the medicinal pot, but I have a p/t job that involves driving and they don't allow weed. My two other jobs it would be fine though.
I was diagnosed many years with a bulging disk problem. My doc had me a surgical path. I went for a second opinion. The next doc prescribed Feldene (Piroxicam). He told me to start out one a day for about two weeks, then I was supposed to get really irregular with it. Take it a few days, skip an odd day or two here and there. Combined with a very specific set of stretches, I was pain free in about 6 mos. I never experienced any of the side effects listed as possible with it. I realize herniated is a different game, but it's something to check out anyway.
It's along the lines of a bulging disc. I will consider everything I've learned here today. Thanks!
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/08/31 19:01:14
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bapu Given time TM, the medical maryjane producers may well become the same as the "pharmaceutical robber barons". 
Only if we let them. As soon as we get rid of the stupid 25-mile rule in AZ (no grow rights if you live within 25 miles of a dispensary (THAT was added by the MMJ dispensary robber barons), my tents go back up.
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/08/31 19:13:38
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Jesse Screed ***? Jesse Q. Screed
Jesse *** is really good for depression, not that great for pain though.
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/08/31 19:20:59
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Beepster Smoking that stuff does crap all unless you have glaucoma or need something to make you eat. Tea or edibles are better for that stuff. ...
That is a complete load of B.S. I've been on it since 1972, and I can tell you the precise differences between smoking, vaping and eating the exact same strain. I can also tell the difference between a 9-week flower and a 10-week flower of the exact same strain when smoking or vaping. Eating is too diffused and too time-delayed to be able to notice the small differences. Stick to what you know for a fact, not what you've heard, or what your biases are. I also herniated a disk (L3-L4). Eating MMJ for that specific issue was a waste of good meds. Vaping is safer and is appropriate for most uses, but there is NOTHING like the instant relief you get from smoking. Vaping is close, but it's not the same. If you've got pain from a herniated disk, that LAST thing you want to do is wait 45-60 minutes before you get any kind of noticeable relief. And try to find an edible that is strain-specific. You're lucky to find sativa, hybrid and indica choices. The strain matters. How long it was allowed to flower matters. How it is dried and cured matters. There's weed. And then there's medical marijuana. Same plant. Two different approaches to growing it. I do NOT like concentrates. I want access to the fresh plant and all of the goodness it provides (cannabinoids (both active (THC) and inactive (THCA), plus CBD, CBG, CBN et. all), terpenes/terpenoids and flavonoids). Mexican brick is NOT medicine. EDIT: It also took a very good chiropractor several months and then a good message therapist another six months to get me through that. I still deal with it the same as the OP...if I sleep in a weird position or some other seemingly innocuous thing. I haven't felt the need to take a single pain pill of any type (I still have some with codeine). For years!
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/08/31 19:25:40
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Certain tryptamines work very well in micro doses. Nothing legal works for real pain or chronic pain. For a headache or temporary back pain, yeah. Pain from standing in a retail store on a concrete floor... really good shoes. Expensive Asics would be my advice. For disk pain or other chronic pain when OTC does not work you will need opiates or illegals... just be careful and don't expect to ever be pain free just to be so it is tolerable and you can function. Stay away from time released meds. You can control what you take with fast acting meds and take them when you need them, more sometime, less sometime. With the ER meds you have no control. Sativa or very low dose fungi will work very well. No one checks for trytamines or for LDS analogs, which you can buy online. It is your life, don't let other people's decisions ruin it, you only live once. J
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/08/31 19:34:45
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jbow Certain tryptamines work very well in micro doses. Nothing legal works for real pain or chronic pain. For a headache or temporary back pain, yeah. Pain from standing in a retail store on a concrete floor... really good shoes. Expensive Asics would be my advice. For disk pain or other chronic pain when OTC does not work you will need opiates or illegals... just be careful and don't expect to ever be pain free just to be so it is tolerable and you can function. Stay away from time released meds. You can control what you take with fast acting meds and take them when you need them, more sometime, less sometime. With the ER meds you have no control. Sativa or very low dose fungi will work very well. No one checks for trytamines or for LDS analogs, which you can buy online. It is your life, don't let other people's decisions ruin it, you only live once. J
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/08/31 19:48:34
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eerrmm... Maartian... Got a teensy bit of experience with this... Eating/drinking the stuff works better for muscular/skeletal/nerve pain in a more REAL way. Indeed slower acting and whatnot. However I liken smoking to the effects of aceto based stuff and opiods (distracts you from the pain) as opposed to eating which is more like ibu/muscle relaxers. BUT whatever works for whomever and however is all good by me. I was going to add an addendum to my post but thought it would be too "political". That adendum would have been, more or less... LEGALIZE!!! /not a pothead //anymore
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/08/31 20:26:58
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I can attest to the pain-relieving properties of marijuana. Not a myth. Believe me, if it had just been wishful thinking I'd have known right away. My back pain from spinal stenosis was intense and unrelenting, and unresponsive to chiropractic and physical therapy, as well as steroid injections. OTC pain meds did nothing and my digestive system couldn't handle opiates. Marijuana allowed me to drastically cut back on the conventional painkillers (oxycodone, vicodin, percoset, et al). The downside, as John noted above, is you can't get high from marijuana in this context. I agree that there are better ways to ingest it than smoking. My preferred method is tea. That was only economically feasible, though, because I grew my own plants on the back porch. Store-bought pot is too expensive for brewing tea. You can, however, buy a tincture product that works very well. You just put a few drops into a cup of, say, peppermint tea. That addresses the most significant downside to eating/drinking the stuff: the difficulty of gauging dosage. My son-in-law has cancer in his spine and kidneys. He, too, swears by the pain-relief he gets from marijuana, although he also takes morphine and oxycodone so it's hard to know how much the pot contributes. We are lucky to live in a state where marijuana is legal. Back to the topic. I asked my doctor the very same question that started this thread: what options are there other than opiates? His answer surprised and dismayed me. "None", he said. At one point I did get an injection of something they described as "super tylenol". That was so I could sit still long enough for an EKG. It worked. I jokingly asked if they'd send me home with a couple syringes of the stuff, but they said it's dangerous and they don't like to use it. So there you have it. Nothing is anywhere nearly as effective as opiates. Aleve (Naproxin) is probably the most effective of the OTC medications, but I'm sure that kills your kidneys or something.
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/08/31 21:49:41
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Curcumin (found in turmeric) is very effective for muscular or joint pain/arthritis. It had a great result on my lower back when I had trouble with it a couple of years ago. Although I think it only works in the kind of doses you get in the capsules and not just from sprinkling a bit of turmeric on your food (although that can't hurt). Yep weed is a great pain reliever. If I have a bad headache for instance, it just melts it away. But I'm not really a fan of some of the mega-strains you get today. It's just a completely different kind of high from the weed I smoked as a kid, and I'm not sure I find it that pleasant. Someone told me it was something to do with a different ratio of THC to cannabinoids - too much of the former compared to the latter or something. I'll tell you how different it feels to me. If I smoke too much of today's weed, the room actually starts to spin and I can't keep my head up. I've had a few cases in which I've had my headphones on at my computer and ended up with my head slumped on my keyboard and the feeling that if I move, I'm going to be sick. I never, ever experienced that with smoking weed 20 years ago. The highs I used to get from weed 20 years ago had a smooth gradient from 0 - 10 depending on how much I smoked. The weed I've tried recently seems to go like 0, 1, 9, 10 with nothing in between
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/08/31 22:14:07
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I didn't mean for this to turn into a polemic about drugs. Sorry to the moderators. To anyone in pain, I commiserate. I've experienced excruciating pain, the kind that makes one nausiated...tomorrow may be a better day as the song goes.
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/09/01 12:25:32
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☄ Helpfulby jbow 2016/09/03 17:16:19
eph221 I didn't mean for this to turn into a polemic about drugs. Sorry to the moderators. To anyone in pain, I commiserate. I've experienced excruciating pain, the kind that makes one nausiated...tomorrow may be a better day as the song goes.
+1 on commiseration. Nothing worse than physical pain. Since you're the OP...end of thread.
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/09/01 15:23:00
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eph221 ?
Easy ... the box 6 foot under that houses what's left of you! No more pain for sure! (... thank Evelyn Waugh and Jonathan Winters for that one!)
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/09/01 23:31:42
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Hypnosis. But sometimes it can work too well so any ethical hypnotherapist will NOT work on you unless it's in conjunction with your PCP's approval. One way it can work too well is when you can't feel any pain you do things you shouldn't and cause more injury. A little pain can be a good thing, a lot, not so much. I can also say you should not discount the power you have over your body. Especially with back issues. When you get down to it, the back is just a bunch of discs suspended by softer parts in-between. Inversion therapy can help unload the spine and often the parts will return to their correct places after a while. It is also possible to do some things that Western medical doctors say is "impossible" - I know because I was supposed to have my L3 and L4 fused together after they had degenerated together, I got a second opinion. One of the teachers I had while I was working on my PhD told me to take an NLP approach and reframe it as "my discs are regenerating" since all cells in the body get replaced (skin is the quickest, bones can take up to 8 or more years). It took me almost four years but I regrew my discs and, when I went back to my doctor, he took an x-ray and said "That's impossible!" An unexpected upshot from all this is that I was now taller than I'd ever been (I was 6'3" in high school, then shrunk due to the lower back issues to 6'1.5", and wound up as 6'4" afterwards).
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eph221
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/09/02 00:05:35
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My doc gave me Tramadol and said since it was a synthetic opiod it wouldn't cause dependence. Honestly, it didn't help that much with the pain. Handfuls and handfuls of ibuprofen seems to be the only drug that works. I realize I have to watch it with stomach issues potentially cropping up. He also threw methocarbomal at me. None of that stuff works though. Again, if you're in pain try and get to sleep...that's the goal...get...sleep....next day might be better.
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/09/07 19:31:29
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Well, I took a methocarbamal last night. I sure hope this doesn't get on the streets, because man it was quite a good feeling.
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/09/07 20:02:09
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Pain, each of us knows that nagging companion, some more than others. Could I cast out your pain? Know that I would! Get away from me Pain! Jesse Q. Screed
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/09/07 23:15:32
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/09/09 23:17:31
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eph221 My two other jobs it would be fine though.
Many people would kill to have a job they could do the MJ on. Start time 4:20. End Time 4:21?
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/09/09 23:44:21
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So THAT'S why I couldn't get a job there when I was desperate for ANY work! (I don't smoke.)
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eph221
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/09/10 11:27:50
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Personally, I love the smell of pot. It instantly reminds me of good times. No, no, no, no I don't smoke it no more. There's a classic Dragnet episode that shows Friday describing the smell of pot to his sidekick, all pejorative. It's pretty funny if you can find it.
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/09/13 10:30:03
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eph221 ?
EASY ANSWER! MUSIC!
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2016/09/13 11:01:53
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I’m in pain 24/7 in my hand and arm. It feels like my arm is asleep plus having my fingernails being pulled out all at once with a plyer, if I’m using my hand the pain increases and stays at that level for long after… I take nothing for the pain. hum? I think that my adrenalin level stays on the edge and it may affect me mentally ;) Though… With shingles I had to use an (un named) dopamine… Peace!
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Re: Best non-opiod pain reliever?
2016/09/13 17:40:13
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Passive Drift It feels like my arm is asleep plus having my fingernails being pulled out all at once with a plyer, quote]
well,that caught my attention:what on earth did you do to have that done to you??
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2016/09/13 19:59:16
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Passive Drift It feels like my arm is asleep plus having my fingernails being pulled out all at once with a plyer, quote]
well,that caught my attention:what on earth did you do to have that done to you??
Chainsaw kick back, I hit a hunk of steel that was in the tree trunk of a really huge old tree... cutting up firewood.. The blade hit my left shoulder. (12 stiches), ripped across my chest a bit (not to bad)... Then went into my right arm, inside area of the inner arm at the elbow. Lots of never damage... 150 staples... I woke up standing with the saw still in my hand, running and the other arm ripped open... 20 years and I still get flashbacks! Good thing I was always left handed... Peace! :)
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