new Distant Towers, All We Can Do **new mix up 9-6-16**

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2016/09/03 18:02:24 (permalink)

new Distant Towers, All We Can Do **new mix up 9-6-16**

 
Hello, hello, hello.....hope all is well and everyone is making music!
 
The Distant Towers camp has been steadily working and we now have a new song to share.  It is called All We Can Do.  If you are so inclined to listen, thank you!  If you want to make a comment or two, even better!!  No comments are bad as far as we are concerned.  Thanks advance to anyone who chimes in.
 
***This link is to the new 9-6-16 mix based on comments from the thread*** 
You can find the song here...see below for more info about the song if you like that sort of thing
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13444053
 
The forensic team gathered these facts about the song...
Tom McCaffrey:  Vocals, bass, lyrics, synth
Preston Richardson:  Drums/percussion/drum loop
Tony Wood:  Guitars, lyrics, mixing
Will be on the forthcoming (and thus far) untitled 5th CD.....release early 2017???
 
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    cclarry
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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/03 18:07:55 (permalink)
    Nice piece...


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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/03 18:16:50 (permalink)
    cool song of course.
    bass is far too polite, as are drums. get those up and snapping in the mix. love the middle section
     

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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/03 19:17:11 (permalink)
    Yea, this is really nice guys - as always - you put out nothing but the best.
     
    Love it.

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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/04 00:34:47 (permalink)
    Agree that the bass is way too low. Love the guitars!  You guys create stuff that really evokes a mix of stuff that I really like. This is no exception. Just beef up the bottom!
     
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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/04 06:18:24 (permalink)
    Excellent song guys, well up to your usual standard. Majestic arpeggiating Tony  Agree the bass could come up a bit. I note a lack of Tom's 'weird bits' going on in the background on this one - conscious decision?

     
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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/04 06:57:35 (permalink)
    All - Thanks so much for the feedback w/all your good ears! Tony is mixing this one in DT Studio South so we are making some mixing adjustments one of which is effecting the bottom end...easy fix but we really needed the feedback on that for sure ! Thanks....
     
    We really enjoyed developing this one and it has a special twist in that Tony took the helm producing and mixing this piece....fun to watch him work even from afar!
     
     James, with that said I assisted as needed but really needed to stay the hell out of the kitchen on this one which more or less speaks to the cleaner feel production wise. I really enjoyed watching it grow under Tony care but I would be fibbing if I said it was not a bit challenging for me to jump in and grab the beast by the horns and start twisting!...lol And once again we are very lucky to have Preston along for the ride on this.....he does great work despite his busy work/life schedule...great dude.
     
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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/04 10:37:16 (permalink)
    I agree with the bass comments.  There, but.... I don't know.  That being said, IT'S LIKE OLD HOME WEEK.  It's been a long time since Distant Towers and the Pugtones have new songs up at the same time.  Your song is classic DT.  I just love the way you guys move in and out of the music.  Hard to explain but that's what I feel.  Great instrumentals and the vocal Chameleon (Tom) is up to his old tricks.  I do think I detected a Korean accent, though.  Been there a while, buddy?  LOL.  I just love coming up here and seeing you guys working.  Great songwriting.

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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/04 12:23:08 (permalink)
    OK, I'll say it too. The bass could come up.
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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/04 12:25:09 (permalink)
    You know whats needed so why repeat, nice stuff as always chaps,

    You just made a tough Sunday pleasant, thanks.

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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/05 17:55:59 (permalink)
    Thanks all!  I'll be reposting a new mix in the next day based on your great comments.  I'll reply more fully at that time. 
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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/06 20:20:04 (permalink)
    cclarry:  Thanks for taking a minute to listen to our tune and for the nice comment.
     
    mgh Mark:  Thanks for giving the tune a listen.  I appreciate the critique.  I have a new version up now that hopefully pumps up the drum and bass.  I'm in a new room these days and this is the first "real" mix I've done so the comments are helping me figure out where I need to be.  Thanks for the nice comment on the center section.  That was a late addition to the tune.
     
    Mark(Markus):  Thanks for giving the tune a whirl and for your very nice comment.  Love the guitar work on Rabbit Hole, what a monster tune!
     
    Dan:  Thanks for listening to the tune and for putting out some helpful crits.  Thanks for the kind comments, glad you liked the tune and the guitars.  I had a completely different tone for the original idea but it was clear after a few listens that I needed to do something a little different.  I actually created a bank of new patches inspired by this tune, mainly based around a Bassman amp.
     
    James:  Thank you for the listen and for your very fine comments.  I appreciate the chiming in on the bass.  Tom usually mixes the bass back and I thought I had it up front but apparently not.  Now I think it is thumping with the 9-6 remix.  Good observation on the lack of Tom's touch of lunacy!  LOL  As you now know, I am mixing this one, a rarity for sure.  It has been fun, sometimes frustrating but always a learning experience.  But don't worry, Tom will be back again with his pocketful of madness!
     
    Warren:  Thank you for checking out the tune and for the all kind comments and insights.  This tune was a first in that I wrote the lyrics, sang lead on the original idea and Tom came in and revised the words just a tad but totally switched up gears on the delivery.  Once we hear that, I knew my original vocals were toast!  LOL
    Yeah, it was neat to see a Pugtones song up when I went to post.  Very exciting and man, what a great tune Rabbit Hole is.  You knocked it out of the park with the lyrics, bass and vocals.  I played it for my wife last night and she really digs it too. 
     
    Ed:  Thanks for the listen and chiming in on the bass.  If you have time to check it out again, let me know if the bass is sitting in the mix better now.
     
    John:  Thanks a bunch for checking out the tune and chiming in on the crits.  Thanks for your kind words and willingness to give our crazy stuff a listen.  Hope you Sunday got better!
     
     
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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/07 09:14:15 (permalink)
    Really nice tune, guys, and well done too.  Mix sounded pretty solid to me.
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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/07 16:25:23 (permalink)
    Hi Tony
    this mix is better. the bass and drums are at a much better level now. for me i'd like to see gnarlier basstone (can you reamp a clone and mix in?) and again the drums i personally would compress more, but in terms of overall mix levels, it's now PERFECT. really shows what a great tune it is, a bit different for you, not so dark.

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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/09 06:43:37 (permalink)
    Phil:  Thanks for taking a few minutes to listen and for the feedback and nice comments.
     
    Mark(mgh):  Thanks for the relisten Mark and for your specific thoughts about the bass and drums.  I'm pretty sure Tom recorded direct on this one so I can likely get a dry bass track from him that I could effect and mix in.  I assume you were thinking of a slightly fuzzed or distorted tone?  Thanks for the info on the compression for the drums.  I was going to ask what specifically you might do to the drums to make them more punchy.  Would you make that compression setting consistent across the whole kit or just to specific instruments?  I keep all the full song mixes separately so I can go back and create a new mix with your two comments in mind to see what it sounds like that way and still have this mix if I we prefer it.  It will be a good learning experience for me and we might like it better.  I have already found that in my new room, I need to mix the bass pretty aggressively because it was thumping pretty good here on my first posted mix and everyone wanted more!  LOL  Good stuff to know for sure.
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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/09 09:45:31 (permalink)
    Ok, buddy, so I am coming from a bass player's point of view.  It is not my only instrument but it is my favorite.  This song is so full but I am getting a less than full bass sound on my system.  Explain?  Not sure I can.  I keep waiting for the bass to thump.  The bass line is cool but it seems a bit to the back of the mix.  Could it be a bit fuller?  In the very beginning is where I hear the tone the best and it seems as though it could be a bit heavier for this tune.  NOW,  REMEMBER, Mark does all our mixing so I am strictly gut and not technical.  Having said all this, I want to say that I am on my 4th listen and I truly love this tune!!! 

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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/09 10:27:00 (permalink)
    Tony,
     
    Overall, the levels are much better, but there is still very little bottom on the bass. I think you may want to parallel EQ the bass track and add some butter at around 80-150hz. Kick could use some around 50-70hz. Toms could use compression to make them punchier. Everything else sounds pretty good as is...
     
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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/09 10:43:16 (permalink)
    Great song and textures throughout.
    I think the vocal could use some of the bottom end rolled off of it which would enable you to bring the bass up in the mix. 
    However I may be wrong,  in which case please beat me vigorously with a wet fish to atone for my mistake.
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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/09 11:51:15 (permalink)
    Now there's an offer he can't refuse, Daryl!  Ha!!

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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/09 14:37:08 (permalink)
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    in which case please beat me vigorously with a wet fish to atone for my mistake.


    Boring. wet fish do not have quite the same sound as a limb and no where near as satisfying .

    This definitely getting better, yes the Kick could do with a little more omf as could the Bass, probably some surgical EQ and some heavier compression but it is a very enjoyable tune.

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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/09 18:18:52 (permalink)
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    Phil:  Thanks for taking a few minutes to listen and for the feedback and nice comments.
     
    Mark(mgh):  Thanks for the relisten Mark and for your specific thoughts about the bass and drums.  I'm pretty sure Tom recorded direct on this one so I can likely get a dry bass track from him that I could effect and mix in.  I assume you were thinking of a slightly fuzzed or distorted tone?  Thanks for the info on the compression for the drums.  I was going to ask what specifically you might do to the drums to make them more punchy.  Would you make that compression setting consistent across the whole kit or just to specific instruments?  I keep all the full song mixes separately so I can go back and create a new mix with your two comments in mind to see what it sounds like that way and still have this mix if I we prefer it.  It will be a good learning experience for me and we might like it better.  I have already found that in my new room, I need to mix the bass pretty aggressively because it was thumping pretty good here on my first posted mix and everyone wanted more!  LOL  Good stuff to know for sure.

    I use NY compression on the drums.(send mix compressed massively and mixed in very slightly to main drum mix) you can use a transient designer to achieve some of this. Cymbals kick I treat separately. For bass mix in another sound or use something like waves maxxbass or mix in a sub synth bass

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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/09 18:28:32 (permalink)
    Thanks a bunch guys!  These are all very helpful and specific things, just what I need.  I am heading out of town tomorrow for a week.  When I get back, I'll remix this tune with these comments in mind to see what I can do and more importantly, what I can learn from it.  Thanks for taking your time to relisten and repost, much appreciated!!
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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/09 23:25:29 (permalink)
    Just for kicks I listened to this on my iPhone speakers. I can't comment on the bass but man oh man everything else just leaps off my phone.

    Guitar sounds so nice and crunchy. That two handed fretting sounds on the lead are super tasteful.
    The snare and kick in good balance.
    And the happy upbeat vocals...what a blast. ;)
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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/20 14:47:58 (permalink)
    Nice!   Good straightforward rock feel and mix, clean and present, yet the guitars are crunchy and the drums are punchy.    Loved that little breakdown section, very cool.   I also think the bass could use a little oomph but that's a minor point.  
     

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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/21 21:26:29 (permalink)
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    I think the vocal could use some of the bottom end rolled off of it which would enable you to bring the bass up in the mix. 
    However I may be wrong,  in which case please beat me vigorously with a wet fish to atone for my mistake.




    ^^^^ This. I was going to say the same exact thing, just not the fish part.
     
    I'd also volume automate the distorted guitar arpeggios down just a hair when the vocals need to be heard a little more distinctly. Or somehow have less hair on the distortion when the singer is singing.
     
    I also LOVE the swing time drums toward the end! I don't know what song they belong to, it may not be this one . . . :) but if I'm wrong about that it's wet fish time.
     
    cool tunage here.
     
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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/23 04:38:56 (permalink)
    Always a pleasure to listen to your stuff guys. Thanks for sharing. 
     
     

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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/24 12:23:38 (permalink)
     
    Cool guitar Tony. Vocals mixed well and nice flow. Bass is mild but effective enough. Felt good listening to it. Thanks.

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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/24 13:31:25 (permalink)
    I liked it before now you have polished it, nice

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    Re: new Distant Towers, All We Can Do 2016/09/25 12:17:00 (permalink)
    Daryl:  Thanks for the listen and for the crtitique/suggestion.  It would have never occurred to me to cut some bass out of the vocal to let the bass guitar come through.  Sounds perfectly logical to me.  I will give that a try to see how it sounds.  I'll forgo my wet fish purchase for now
     
    John:  Thanks for the relisten and the idea of very targeted EQ use, I'll keep that tidbit in mind as well.  Thanks for the re-re-listen.  Much appreciated.  I am going to give this thing another round of mixing soon to see if I can put some oomph into the bass without bringing the volume up.  I'm pretty happy with the mix now so this is mainly a learning experience from this point out.
     
    Mark(mgh):  Thanks for the detailed suggestions, I am likely going to revisit this thread in the future when I mix a tune.
     
    James:  Thanks for checking out the new tune.  I appreciate the kind comments and the insight on the balance between kick and snare.  Thanks for the two handed comment.  I'm not big on that stuff but something made me give it a whirl on this tune and I thought the fit was right.  I wrote the basic lyrics and Tom changed a few things.  I tend to write lyrics that are a bit insular and Tom's lyrics are always insinuating someone getting shot or worse!  LOL  Definitely upbeat in comparison.
     
    Stevec:  Thanks for the listen and the kind comments.  Glad the center section appealed to you too.  Thanks for chiming in on the bass.  I definitely think the solution is not simply in pushing the volume up so I'll have to get into this deeper for sure!
     
    Tom:  Thanks for giving this a listen and for your kind comments and crits.  I like the idea of using an envelope on the guitars during the main vox parts.  The drums were done for this tune.  Preston considers himself more of a funk/reggae drummer than straight up rock so he often brings something very unique to the tune with his drums.  His outro on this tune really caught our ears too.
     
    Texmes:  Thanks for listening and the kind comment.
     
    Ramesh:  Thanks for listening and for the kind comments and the specific nod to the bass.  It sounds loud enough on my mixing setup too.
     
     
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