Helpful ReplyMixdown quality issues wav format.

Author
maestrostephent
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 4
  • Joined: 2015/02/01 08:20:09
  • Status: offline
2016/09/05 09:28:33 (permalink)

Mixdown quality issues wav format.

I've noticed that when I mix down to a wav and play the wav file back in an external player, the sound quality is not as crisp or clear as my overall mix during playback inside of SONAR Professional.  I've been using versions of Cakewalk since sometime around 2001 so I'm no freshman, but is it possible I'm missing some export setting or buffer size?  The output is a little muffled and slightly over compressed and has more mid-low and less crisp high end.  Sounds great inside of SONAR, after exporting it sounds passable but not great in the wav output.  I've played around with different sample rates and no luck. What gives?
 
 
#1
dcumpian
Max Output Level: -34 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 4124
  • Joined: 2005/11/03 15:50:51
  • Status: offline
Re: Mixdown quality issues wav format. 2016/09/05 09:46:26 (permalink)
Quite possibly, it is your player.  Many media player have built in filters to make stuff sound "better".  They can also be using different audio interfaces, if you have more than one installed. 
 
Try importing the file into a new Sonar project and play it there.  If it still sounds off to you, make sure you are exporting with all of the options you want enabled.
 
Regards,
Dan

Mixing is all about control.
 
My music:
http://dancumpian.bandcamp.com/ or https://soundcloud.com/dcumpian Studiocat Advanced Studio DAW (Intel i5 3550 @ 3.7GHz, Z77 motherboard, 16GB Ram, lots of HDDs), Sonar Plat, Mackie 1604, PreSonus Audiobox 44VSL, ESI 4x4 Midi Interface, Ibanez Bass, Custom Fender Mexi-Strat, NI S88, Roland JV-2080 & MDB-1, Komplete, Omnisphere, Lots o' plugins.    
#2
maestrostephent
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 4
  • Joined: 2015/02/01 08:20:09
  • Status: offline
Re: Mixdown quality issues wav format. 2016/09/05 09:46:43 (permalink)
When in doubt tinker some more.  It would seem I had the fast bounce checked on the output and was getting some degraded mids and highs.
#3
Steve_Karl
Max Output Level: -50 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 2534
  • Joined: 2003/11/06 20:53:26
  • Location: Pittsburgh, PA USA
  • Status: offline
Re: Mixdown quality issues wav format. 2016/09/05 11:18:25 (permalink)
I never use fast bounce for anything.

Steve Karl
https://soundcloud.com/steve_karl
SPLAT 2017.01
#4
Bristol_Jonesey
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 16775
  • Joined: 2007/10/08 15:41:17
  • Location: Bristol, UK
  • Status: offline
Re: Mixdown quality issues wav format. 2016/09/05 12:04:06 (permalink)
I always use fast bounce for everything.
 
And all of my exported wav's will null with the project when re-imported into SONAR and A/B'ed

CbB, Platinum, 64 bit throughout
Custom built i7 3930, 32Gb RAM, 2 x 1Tb Internal HDD, 1 x 1TB system SSD (Win 7), 1 x 500Gb system SSD (Win 10), 2 x 1Tb External HDD's, Dual boot Win 7 & Win 10 64 Bit, Saffire Pro 26, ISA One, Adam P11A,
#5
John
Forum Host
  • Total Posts : 30467
  • Joined: 2003/11/06 11:53:17
  • Status: offline
Re: Mixdown quality issues wav format. 2016/09/05 12:47:08 (permalink)
Fast bounce is the same in quality as real time.  This has been clearly stated by CW many times. 

Best
John
#6
Cactus Music
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 8424
  • Joined: 2004/02/09 21:34:04
  • Status: offline
Re: Mixdown quality issues wav format. 2016/09/05 13:00:42 (permalink)
Always use fat bounce and all my exports are identical to the original playback. 
I use whatever Sonar defaults to, only thing I've ever changed is the bit depth from the default of 32 down to 16. 
One thing I ( and others too) do is before export I use "SELECT NONE"   CTRl/SHIFT/ A  
I find it always works perfectly where as I have had issues with Select All. Try that. 

Johnny V  
Cakelab  
Focusrite 6i61st - Tascam us1641. 
3 Desktops and 3 Laptops W7 and W10
 http://www.cactusmusic.ca/
 
 
#7
Kalle Rantaaho
Max Output Level: -5 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 7005
  • Joined: 2006/01/09 13:07:59
  • Location: Finland
  • Status: offline
Re: Mixdown quality issues wav format. 2016/09/05 13:16:47 (permalink)
^Same here. I only switch Fast Bounce off if a VST in use doesn't like it.
Posts about exported project not sounding the same outside SONAR are actually
not very rare. My understanding is the most usual cause is the combination of WMP and
different volume. It sounds different but it isn't.

SONAR PE 8.5.3, Asus P5B, 2,4 Ghz Dual Core, 4 Gb RAM, GF 7300, EMU 1820, Bluetube Pre  -  Kontakt4, Ozone, Addictive Drums, PSP Mixpack2, Melda Creative Pack, Melodyne Plugin etc.
The benefit of being a middle aged amateur is the low number of years of frustration ahead of you.
#8
Bristol_Jonesey
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 16775
  • Joined: 2007/10/08 15:41:17
  • Location: Bristol, UK
  • Status: offline
Re: Mixdown quality issues wav format. 2016/09/06 03:47:55 (permalink)
maestrostephent
When in doubt tinker some more.  It would seem I had the fast bounce checked on the output and was getting some degraded mids and highs.


This should make zero difference to the quality of your export.
 
Prove it to yourself:
 
  1. Export your project with whatever settings you like
  2. Re-import it into the same project on a new track
  3. Route it directly to your Main Out/Interface, bypassing your master buss
  4. Flip the phase and play. This should result in near or total silence
 
 

CbB, Platinum, 64 bit throughout
Custom built i7 3930, 32Gb RAM, 2 x 1Tb Internal HDD, 1 x 1TB system SSD (Win 7), 1 x 500Gb system SSD (Win 10), 2 x 1Tb External HDD's, Dual boot Win 7 & Win 10 64 Bit, Saffire Pro 26, ISA One, Adam P11A,
#9
dcumpian
Max Output Level: -34 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 4124
  • Joined: 2005/11/03 15:50:51
  • Status: offline
Re: Mixdown quality issues wav format. 2016/09/06 08:51:29 (permalink)
Bristol_Jonesey
maestrostephent
When in doubt tinker some more.  It would seem I had the fast bounce checked on the output and was getting some degraded mids and highs.


This should make zero difference to the quality of your export.
 
Prove it to yourself:
 
  1. Export your project with whatever settings you like
  2. Re-import it into the same project on a new track
  3. Route it directly to your Main Out/Interface, bypassing your master buss
  4. Flip the phase and play. This should result in near or total silence



It may, depending on what is being bounced. Some (very few) VSTi's can fail using fast bounce. One of the reasons I print VSTi's to audio before I start mixing.
 
Regards,
Dan

Mixing is all about control.
 
My music:
http://dancumpian.bandcamp.com/ or https://soundcloud.com/dcumpian Studiocat Advanced Studio DAW (Intel i5 3550 @ 3.7GHz, Z77 motherboard, 16GB Ram, lots of HDDs), Sonar Plat, Mackie 1604, PreSonus Audiobox 44VSL, ESI 4x4 Midi Interface, Ibanez Bass, Custom Fender Mexi-Strat, NI S88, Roland JV-2080 & MDB-1, Komplete, Omnisphere, Lots o' plugins.    
#10
Bristol_Jonesey
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 16775
  • Joined: 2007/10/08 15:41:17
  • Location: Bristol, UK
  • Status: offline
Re: Mixdown quality issues wav format. 2016/09/06 08:52:54 (permalink)
Hence my use of the word "should" 

CbB, Platinum, 64 bit throughout
Custom built i7 3930, 32Gb RAM, 2 x 1Tb Internal HDD, 1 x 1TB system SSD (Win 7), 1 x 500Gb system SSD (Win 10), 2 x 1Tb External HDD's, Dual boot Win 7 & Win 10 64 Bit, Saffire Pro 26, ISA One, Adam P11A,
#11
bitman
Max Output Level: -34 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 4105
  • Joined: 2003/11/06 14:11:54
  • Location: Keystone Colorado
  • Status: offline
Re: Mixdown quality issues wav format. 2016/09/06 10:52:56 (permalink)
Where is the option for fat bounce. I wanna use that for thin mixes.
#12
dcumpian
Max Output Level: -34 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 4124
  • Joined: 2005/11/03 15:50:51
  • Status: offline
Re: Mixdown quality issues wav format. 2016/09/06 10:55:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Bristol_Jonesey 2016/09/06 11:39:29
bitman
Where is the option for fat bounce. I wanna use that for thin mixes.




That's when the mix engineer jumps up and down...
 
Dan

Mixing is all about control.
 
My music:
http://dancumpian.bandcamp.com/ or https://soundcloud.com/dcumpian Studiocat Advanced Studio DAW (Intel i5 3550 @ 3.7GHz, Z77 motherboard, 16GB Ram, lots of HDDs), Sonar Plat, Mackie 1604, PreSonus Audiobox 44VSL, ESI 4x4 Midi Interface, Ibanez Bass, Custom Fender Mexi-Strat, NI S88, Roland JV-2080 & MDB-1, Komplete, Omnisphere, Lots o' plugins.    
#13
Jump to:
© 2025 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1